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		<title>By: junya</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-2908</link>
		<dc:creator>junya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the poster called &quot;Reason&quot;:

Thank you for your comment. It is the first one to directly challenge the claims of the article. Such challenges can help me find errors. Unfortunately, although it is a good effort, this critique fails to meet even the most minimal standards of reasoned arguments. Still, I am grateful for this opportunity for clarification. 

To be compelling, a critique must at least:

1. Work within the context
2. Quote from the text when making claims about the text
3. Support claims with facts or authoritative opinions

This critique fails to achieve #1 and #3, and only partially achieves #2.

Context: As you can see from the date, the article was written within the first week of the killing. From the start, and throughout, the article makes clear that it is a response to widespread SPECULATION in the state media that the killer &quot;had meant to fire his Taser stun gun rather than his firearm&quot;.

&gt; 1. Regarding your assertion that &quot;You don’t have to be a weapons expert  
&gt; to feel the difference between holding about two pounds and holding less  
&gt; than half a pound - try it&quot;. Yes. Try it under the same circumstances.  
&gt; Responding to a big fight on the train, armed with a device that you  
&gt; just started carrying.
&gt;
&gt; 2. Regarding the color of the device &quot;Police pistols are all black,  
&gt; sometimes with a very dark brown grip. The X26 has bright yellow  
&gt; markings on it. It also has a 2-digit LED display.&quot; In a stressful  
&gt; situation, you will not look at your taser... or your gun. Same point...  
&gt; and counterpoint as #1.

Out of context. Neither of the two cited Chronicle articles that spread the Taser-confusion rumor attempted to attribute the confusion to the fight or lack of Taser experience. At the time of the first report, the killer had yet to even be identified and the report conceded that it was not known if he even was carrying a Taser. So this critique is presenting a new defense, and then claiming the article&#039;s argument is flawed because it does not respond to the new defense - that was never presented! That&#039;s a claim that is less than compelling.

&gt; 3. You made this easy... &quot;The X26 has a safety on the grip that must be  
&gt; released. The Glock safety is on the trigger.&quot; So...? The safety is  
&gt; easily manipulated as part of the draw stroke.

This challenge seems to have overlooked this text in the article:

&gt; So let’s review the minimum steps of a Taser deployment:
&gt; ...
&gt; 2. You reach on the grip and flip the safety up.

If the &quot;safety is easily manipulated as part of the draw stroke&quot;, and that manipulation did not occur on the grip, then you know you don&#039;t have a Taser in your hands.

It also seemed to have overlooked the correction I added above, that police later reported that the killer carried a Sig-Sauer, not a Glock. So my argument is flawed for that reason - wrong assumption - not the one presented in this critique.

The remainder of the critique makes claims about the article, without quoting any text in the article as the basis for those claims. So it is impossible for me to either concede or rebut those mystery claims that are, again, less than compelling. It is easy to rant, but to free our minds from the state&#039;s propaganda juggernaut requires vigilant attention, focus, and rigor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the poster called &#8220;Reason&#8221;:</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. It is the first one to directly challenge the claims of the article. Such challenges can help me find errors. Unfortunately, although it is a good effort, this critique fails to meet even the most minimal standards of reasoned arguments. Still, I am grateful for this opportunity for clarification. </p>
<p>To be compelling, a critique must at least:</p>
<p>1. Work within the context<br />
2. Quote from the text when making claims about the text<br />
3. Support claims with facts or authoritative opinions</p>
<p>This critique fails to achieve #1 and #3, and only partially achieves #2.</p>
<p>Context: As you can see from the date, the article was written within the first week of the killing. From the start, and throughout, the article makes clear that it is a response to widespread SPECULATION in the state media that the killer &#8220;had meant to fire his Taser stun gun rather than his firearm&#8221;.</p>
<p>&gt; 1. Regarding your assertion that &#8220;You don’t have to be a weapons expert<br />
&gt; to feel the difference between holding about two pounds and holding less<br />
&gt; than half a pound &#8211; try it&#8221;. Yes. Try it under the same circumstances.<br />
&gt; Responding to a big fight on the train, armed with a device that you<br />
&gt; just started carrying.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; 2. Regarding the color of the device &#8220;Police pistols are all black,<br />
&gt; sometimes with a very dark brown grip. The X26 has bright yellow<br />
&gt; markings on it. It also has a 2-digit LED display.&#8221; In a stressful<br />
&gt; situation, you will not look at your taser&#8230; or your gun. Same point&#8230;<br />
&gt; and counterpoint as #1.</p>
<p>Out of context. Neither of the two cited Chronicle articles that spread the Taser-confusion rumor attempted to attribute the confusion to the fight or lack of Taser experience. At the time of the first report, the killer had yet to even be identified and the report conceded that it was not known if he even was carrying a Taser. So this critique is presenting a new defense, and then claiming the article&#8217;s argument is flawed because it does not respond to the new defense &#8211; that was never presented! That&#8217;s a claim that is less than compelling.</p>
<p>&gt; 3. You made this easy&#8230; &#8220;The X26 has a safety on the grip that must be<br />
&gt; released. The Glock safety is on the trigger.&#8221; So&#8230;? The safety is<br />
&gt; easily manipulated as part of the draw stroke.</p>
<p>This challenge seems to have overlooked this text in the article:</p>
<p>&gt; So let’s review the minimum steps of a Taser deployment:<br />
&gt; &#8230;<br />
&gt; 2. You reach on the grip and flip the safety up.</p>
<p>If the &#8220;safety is easily manipulated as part of the draw stroke&#8221;, and that manipulation did not occur on the grip, then you know you don&#8217;t have a Taser in your hands.</p>
<p>It also seemed to have overlooked the correction I added above, that police later reported that the killer carried a Sig-Sauer, not a Glock. So my argument is flawed for that reason &#8211; wrong assumption &#8211; not the one presented in this critique.</p>
<p>The remainder of the critique makes claims about the article, without quoting any text in the article as the basis for those claims. So it is impossible for me to either concede or rebut those mystery claims that are, again, less than compelling. It is easy to rant, but to free our minds from the state&#8217;s propaganda juggernaut requires vigilant attention, focus, and rigor.</p>
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		<title>By: Reason</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-2896</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why your argument is flawed...

1. Regarding your assertion that &quot;You don’t have to be a weapons expert to feel the difference between holding about two pounds and holding less than half a pound - try it&quot;. Yes. Try it under the same circumstances. Responding to a big fight on the train, armed with a device that you just started carrying. 

2. Regarding the color of the device &quot;Police pistols are all black, sometimes with a very dark brown grip. The X26 has bright yellow markings on it. It also has a 2-digit LED display.&quot; In a stressful situation, you will not look at your taser... or your gun. Same point... and counterpoint as #1.

3. You made this easy... &quot;The X26 has a safety on the grip that must be released. The Glock safety is on the trigger.&quot; So...? The safety is easily manipulated as part of the draw stroke. 

My point is (and you should really concede this) is that nobody is saying that the officer is not responsible for killing Grant. Really, they aren&#039;t. So quit trying argue as if they were. The weapon confusion issue is simply a mitigating issue that calls into question the one thing that is required for the charge of Murder... intent. 

Just because you don&#039;t like police, even if it&#039;s for good cause, does not mean that this officer intended to put a bullet in Grant&#039;s back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why your argument is flawed&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Regarding your assertion that &#8220;You don’t have to be a weapons expert to feel the difference between holding about two pounds and holding less than half a pound &#8211; try it&#8221;. Yes. Try it under the same circumstances. Responding to a big fight on the train, armed with a device that you just started carrying. </p>
<p>2. Regarding the color of the device &#8220;Police pistols are all black, sometimes with a very dark brown grip. The X26 has bright yellow markings on it. It also has a 2-digit LED display.&#8221; In a stressful situation, you will not look at your taser&#8230; or your gun. Same point&#8230; and counterpoint as #1.</p>
<p>3. You made this easy&#8230; &#8220;The X26 has a safety on the grip that must be released. The Glock safety is on the trigger.&#8221; So&#8230;? The safety is easily manipulated as part of the draw stroke. </p>
<p>My point is (and you should really concede this) is that nobody is saying that the officer is not responsible for killing Grant. Really, they aren&#8217;t. So quit trying argue as if they were. The weapon confusion issue is simply a mitigating issue that calls into question the one thing that is required for the charge of Murder&#8230; intent. </p>
<p>Just because you don&#8217;t like police, even if it&#8217;s for good cause, does not mean that this officer intended to put a bullet in Grant&#8217;s back.</p>
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		<title>By: Филипп</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-2826</link>
		<dc:creator>Филипп</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Мдааа... После прочтения даже мне эта тема стала интересна.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Мдааа&#8230; После прочтения даже мне эта тема стала интересна.</p>
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		<title>By: Алан</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>Алан</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Да уж... Все-таки интересное изобретение - блог. Казалось бы обычный сайт, но поменяли подачу информации, отдали сайт в руки толькоодного человека и сразу открылась еще одна свежая грань общения с миром. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Да уж&#8230; Все-таки интересное изобретение &#8211; блог. Казалось бы обычный сайт, но поменяли подачу информации, отдали сайт в руки толькоодного человека и сразу открылась еще одна свежая грань общения с миром. :)</p>
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		<title>By: junya</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-2733</link>
		<dc:creator>junya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Taser confusion&quot; defense hits another obstacle. At http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/05/MNRA18125K.DTL, the SF Chronicle reports:

&gt;&gt;&gt;
After listening to seven days of testimony, Judge C. Don Clay concluded that Mehserle hadn&#039;t gotten his stun gun and his service pistol mixed up when he shot Oscar Grant in the back at the Fruitvale Station in Oakland early New Year&#039;s Day.

&quot;There&#039;s no doubt in my mind,&quot; Clay said at the close of the former officer&#039;s preliminary hearing in Oakland, &quot;that Mr. Mehserle intended to shoot Oscar Grant with a gun and not a Taser.&quot;
&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;
&quot;Human nature tells us that not only would (Mehserle) have acted differently on the platform, I don&#039;t think you would have been able to shut him up,&quot; Stein said. &quot;I think he would have said repeatedly, to anyone who would listen, &#039;Oh my God, I made a mistake.&#039; &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Taser confusion&#8221; defense hits another obstacle. At <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/05/MNRA18125K.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/05/MNRA18125K.DTL</a>, the SF Chronicle reports:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
After listening to seven days of testimony, Judge C. Don Clay concluded that Mehserle hadn&#8217;t gotten his stun gun and his service pistol mixed up when he shot Oscar Grant in the back at the Fruitvale Station in Oakland early New Year&#8217;s Day.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no doubt in my mind,&#8221; Clay said at the close of the former officer&#8217;s preliminary hearing in Oakland, &#8220;that Mr. Mehserle intended to shoot Oscar Grant with a gun and not a Taser.&#8221;<br />
&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&#8220;Human nature tells us that not only would (Mehserle) have acted differently on the platform, I don&#8217;t think you would have been able to shut him up,&#8221; Stein said. &#8220;I think he would have said repeatedly, to anyone who would listen, &#8216;Oh my God, I made a mistake.&#8217; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: edog</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-2662</link>
		<dc:creator>edog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i dont know why cops dont want to get real jobs thers a lot of things do do and get paid more money maybe u cannot have common sence to be a cop thers no money in the world that can pay me to break in to a persons house or a mans castle maybe its a lack of info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i dont know why cops dont want to get real jobs thers a lot of things do do and get paid more money maybe u cannot have common sence to be a cop thers no money in the world that can pay me to break in to a persons house or a mans castle maybe its a lack of info.</p>
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		<title>By: Кирилл Лебедев</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-2647</link>
		<dc:creator>Кирилл Лебедев</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 08:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Интересно написано, но мне кажется, что автор что-то не договаривает :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Интересно написано, но мне кажется, что автор что-то не договаривает :)</p>
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		<title>By: JasLoW</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>JasLoW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude tthat waz an accident</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude tthat waz an accident</p>
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		<title>By: Tor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that to judge this a murder is too premature. The officer is definitely guilty, but perhaps it was an accident. It is best to reserve judgment until after the trial.

If it was a hate crime, i wonder if the officer has had a history of violence against minorities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that to judge this a murder is too premature. The officer is definitely guilty, but perhaps it was an accident. It is best to reserve judgment until after the trial.</p>
<p>If it was a hate crime, i wonder if the officer has had a history of violence against minorities?</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-1141</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an African living in Europe, this shooting is evil, and no excuse can exonorate the police officer,it is gross wickedness and evil intent.the excuse of the taser is baseless and even agravates the already bad situation,cause Grant was coperating.he should be charged with murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an African living in Europe, this shooting is evil, and no excuse can exonorate the police officer,it is gross wickedness and evil intent.the excuse of the taser is baseless and even agravates the already bad situation,cause Grant was coperating.he should be charged with murder.</p>
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		<title>By: junya</title>
		<link>http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/did-bart-cop-who-killed-oscar-grant-mistake-gun-for-taser/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>junya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Chron has toned down their Taser-confusion nonsense, now providing a somewhat more &quot;balanced&quot; perspective. Their article &quot;BART shooting draws Rodney King case parallels&quot; raises the the same points raised a week earlier in the story above. Here are the relevant excerpts:
 
...However, neither Mehserle nor his lawyers have offered any explanation for the shooting, and the Taser possibility remains speculation.
[NOTE: Finally, an admission that the Taser-confusion story is mere speculation!]

...A few cases in which officers have confused firearms for stun guns have arisen elsewhere...One who avoided prosecution was Marcie Noriega, a police officer in the city of Madera, who fatally shot Everardo Torres in 2002 with a gun she said she thought was a Taser...District Attorney Ernest LiCalsi decided not to file criminal charges against Noriega, who remains on the police force. The Torres family&#039;s civil suit against the officer and the city is pending.
 
Changes in weapons
 
Changes in police weaponry since the Madera case, though, could make it harder for an officer to argue that he mistook a service weapon for a stun gun.
 
Tasers, which were about the same size and weight as pistols in 2002, now are smaller and weigh less than half as much. While Noriega held her gun on the same side as the Taser, officers now are told to keep the weapons in different areas.
 
&quot;A Taser looks different from a gun,&quot; said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and a former federal prosecutor. &quot;It&#039;s hard to believe that it&#039;s a reasonable mistake for an officer who&#039;s had any training at all.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the Chron has toned down their Taser-confusion nonsense, now providing a somewhat more &#8220;balanced&#8221; perspective. Their article &#8220;BART shooting draws Rodney King case parallels&#8221; raises the the same points raised a week earlier in the story above. Here are the relevant excerpts:</p>
<p>&#8230;However, neither Mehserle nor his lawyers have offered any explanation for the shooting, and the Taser possibility remains speculation.<br />
[NOTE: Finally, an admission that the Taser-confusion story is mere speculation!]</p>
<p>&#8230;A few cases in which officers have confused firearms for stun guns have arisen elsewhere&#8230;One who avoided prosecution was Marcie Noriega, a police officer in the city of Madera, who fatally shot Everardo Torres in 2002 with a gun she said she thought was a Taser&#8230;District Attorney Ernest LiCalsi decided not to file criminal charges against Noriega, who remains on the police force. The Torres family&#8217;s civil suit against the officer and the city is pending.</p>
<p>Changes in weapons</p>
<p>Changes in police weaponry since the Madera case, though, could make it harder for an officer to argue that he mistook a service weapon for a stun gun.</p>
<p>Tasers, which were about the same size and weight as pistols in 2002, now are smaller and weigh less than half as much. While Noriega held her gun on the same side as the Taser, officers now are told to keep the weapons in different areas.</p>
<p>&#8220;A Taser looks different from a gun,&#8221; said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and a former federal prosecutor. &#8220;It&#8217;s hard to believe that it&#8217;s a reasonable mistake for an officer who&#8217;s had any training at all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BART police officers did not properly conduct the whole situation that resulted in the murder of my niece&#039;s Father. I was shocked to see that BART began too and would have covered up this whole tragedy if they could have. Not taking any responsibility for wrong doing. That is shameful!! Thank you Father for the videos and the people who recorded! Up until this tragic time in my life I have not experienced this kind of America. I have only heard the stories. I am sad. I hate that this type of conduct is allowed in our law enforcement. I am not African American (I am a minority) but I now understand what discrimination and “stereo typing” feels like. I am sorry to every African American that has endured this pain time and time again. I now stand with you! I am praying and asking God to show me where to start and how to make a difference! My life has been turned upside by this horrible situation. I cry all the time. When I hear or read distant ignorant comments I feel gripped with anger. We all need our Savior!! God help us!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BART police officers did not properly conduct the whole situation that resulted in the murder of my niece&#8217;s Father. I was shocked to see that BART began too and would have covered up this whole tragedy if they could have. Not taking any responsibility for wrong doing. That is shameful!! Thank you Father for the videos and the people who recorded! Up until this tragic time in my life I have not experienced this kind of America. I have only heard the stories. I am sad. I hate that this type of conduct is allowed in our law enforcement. I am not African American (I am a minority) but I now understand what discrimination and “stereo typing” feels like. I am sorry to every African American that has endured this pain time and time again. I now stand with you! I am praying and asking God to show me where to start and how to make a difference! My life has been turned upside by this horrible situation. I cry all the time. When I hear or read distant ignorant comments I feel gripped with anger. We all need our Savior!! God help us!!</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I gotta say is it doesn&#039;t matter if he mistaken his gun for a &quot;taser&quot; he killed an unarmed man! Your not suppose to kill anyone!! Ugh this pisses me off because I&#039;m from the bay area and we need to do the right, and that is to make that murderer pay for what he did to Oscar Grant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I gotta say is it doesn&#8217;t matter if he mistaken his gun for a &#8220;taser&#8221; he killed an unarmed man! Your not suppose to kill anyone!! Ugh this pisses me off because I&#8217;m from the bay area and we need to do the right, and that is to make that murderer pay for what he did to Oscar Grant.</p>
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		<title>By: RETCOMBATVET</title>
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		<dc:creator>RETCOMBATVET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing.  

     WHY DO SO MANY OF YOU SUPPORT SLAVERY??!!??

     All of these drugs and alcohol make for nice little slaves!  We serve them and keep their shackles on with blind obedience!  We sacrifice our friends and our loved ones for another fix or another drink.  WHY?  

     Tobacco isn&#039;t much better, either!  It&#039;s just not quite as destructive as the alcohol and drugs.

WHY KEEP OURSELVES SERVING THE DRUG AND ALCOHOL MASTERS????

     Get help!  Free yourselves from the chains of addiction!

     IS THIS FORM OF SLAVERY SOMETHING THAT DR. KING WOULD APPROVE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing.  </p>
<p>     WHY DO SO MANY OF YOU SUPPORT SLAVERY??!!??</p>
<p>     All of these drugs and alcohol make for nice little slaves!  We serve them and keep their shackles on with blind obedience!  We sacrifice our friends and our loved ones for another fix or another drink.  WHY?  </p>
<p>     Tobacco isn&#8217;t much better, either!  It&#8217;s just not quite as destructive as the alcohol and drugs.</p>
<p>WHY KEEP OURSELVES SERVING THE DRUG AND ALCOHOL MASTERS????</p>
<p>     Get help!  Free yourselves from the chains of addiction!</p>
<p>     IS THIS FORM OF SLAVERY SOMETHING THAT DR. KING WOULD APPROVE?</p>
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		<title>By: RETCOMBATVET</title>
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		<dc:creator>RETCOMBATVET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DEAR CATWALK,

     Finally, someone is getting the point I am attempting to make!  I AM NOT SIDING WITH THIS OFFICER!  I think it is a damn shame when anyone loses a life...PERIOD!  
     
     But why is it that we only become agitated, vocal, and mobilized for police violence?  Why do we sit on our butts when our children, friends, and neighbors are dying every single day due to our own faults?  Why do we seem only truly concerned when it is &quot;DEATH BY COP&quot;?

     As for you, CATWALK, don&#039;t lecture.  Spend time with your nephew.  Bring him in even closer to you than ever before, if you can.  Show him the good things in life.  It doesn&#039;t even have to be anything that costs money, but do whatever you can to grow closer with him.  Maybe with time he will appreciate your friendship more than the dummies he hangs with, especially if they start to rag on him and/or run you in the ground.  

     When the time is right you can plant a small seed in his brain from time to time.  Things that you have learned from experience.  Not too much too often, though.  Maybe a comment about how you or someone you knew blew everything on drugs or a party with nothing too show.  Just kind of reminiscing without lecturing of hashing it too long.  Whatever you happen to mention it should be truthful and just sort of a small comment without being directed at him or his behavior.  

     I will never have all of the answers but I do have experiences and have found some things that have worked for me.  I will pray for you and your nephew, especially.  I will pray for all who want real change in their lives, too.  Love is the best and clearest path to real change.  I believe that is what Dr. King was trying to teach us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DEAR CATWALK,</p>
<p>     Finally, someone is getting the point I am attempting to make!  I AM NOT SIDING WITH THIS OFFICER!  I think it is a damn shame when anyone loses a life&#8230;PERIOD!  </p>
<p>     But why is it that we only become agitated, vocal, and mobilized for police violence?  Why do we sit on our butts when our children, friends, and neighbors are dying every single day due to our own faults?  Why do we seem only truly concerned when it is &#8220;DEATH BY COP&#8221;?</p>
<p>     As for you, CATWALK, don&#8217;t lecture.  Spend time with your nephew.  Bring him in even closer to you than ever before, if you can.  Show him the good things in life.  It doesn&#8217;t even have to be anything that costs money, but do whatever you can to grow closer with him.  Maybe with time he will appreciate your friendship more than the dummies he hangs with, especially if they start to rag on him and/or run you in the ground.  </p>
<p>     When the time is right you can plant a small seed in his brain from time to time.  Things that you have learned from experience.  Not too much too often, though.  Maybe a comment about how you or someone you knew blew everything on drugs or a party with nothing too show.  Just kind of reminiscing without lecturing of hashing it too long.  Whatever you happen to mention it should be truthful and just sort of a small comment without being directed at him or his behavior.  </p>
<p>     I will never have all of the answers but I do have experiences and have found some things that have worked for me.  I will pray for you and your nephew, especially.  I will pray for all who want real change in their lives, too.  Love is the best and clearest path to real change.  I believe that is what Dr. King was trying to teach us.</p>
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		<title>By: catwalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>catwalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t like the law enforcement, then become one! After all, when you don&#039;t like something, do the job yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t like the law enforcement, then become one! After all, when you don&#8217;t like something, do the job yourself!</p>
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		<title>By: catwalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>catwalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there is a strong point that RETCOMBATVET makes and that is we need to focus on the youth of today. From what I&#039;m reading from Retrocombatvet, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s saying 
that to whether or not the officer is guilty, but he is reminding us that we have to admit they we are guilty too. I mean some of the kids who were making stupid comments...they should know better. I mean they are like 16 or 17. I&#039;m sure their parents have tried to get through to them. But maybe they don&#039;t because they don&#039;t know how. 

Sorry if I&#039;m ranting, but I am 25 years old and I was so sad to learn that my 14 yr old nephew started hanging out at the tenderloin and smoking weed along with other things. By the looks of it, he&#039;s starting to hang with the bad crowed. I don&#039;t know how to help him. Basically I just want to tell him to stop these bad habits.  I&#039;m afraid if I sound like I&#039;m lecturing him, he will stop listening and shut me out. Plus I he might not tell me things anymore. I remember when my sister started lecturing me, I didn&#039;t want to tell her things anymore. Anyways I felt like he changed over night!

Everyone just loves firefighters, but cops don&#039;t get the same respect. Maybe it&#039;s scaring people away in thinking about becoming cops. If anything I think we need more cops! Maybe we need to inspire at-risk youth to become cops. Perhaps they can relate to better to our youth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there is a strong point that RETCOMBATVET makes and that is we need to focus on the youth of today. From what I&#8217;m reading from Retrocombatvet, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s saying<br />
that to whether or not the officer is guilty, but he is reminding us that we have to admit they we are guilty too. I mean some of the kids who were making stupid comments&#8230;they should know better. I mean they are like 16 or 17. I&#8217;m sure their parents have tried to get through to them. But maybe they don&#8217;t because they don&#8217;t know how. </p>
<p>Sorry if I&#8217;m ranting, but I am 25 years old and I was so sad to learn that my 14 yr old nephew started hanging out at the tenderloin and smoking weed along with other things. By the looks of it, he&#8217;s starting to hang with the bad crowed. I don&#8217;t know how to help him. Basically I just want to tell him to stop these bad habits.  I&#8217;m afraid if I sound like I&#8217;m lecturing him, he will stop listening and shut me out. Plus I he might not tell me things anymore. I remember when my sister started lecturing me, I didn&#8217;t want to tell her things anymore. Anyways I felt like he changed over night!</p>
<p>Everyone just loves firefighters, but cops don&#8217;t get the same respect. Maybe it&#8217;s scaring people away in thinking about becoming cops. If anything I think we need more cops! Maybe we need to inspire at-risk youth to become cops. Perhaps they can relate to better to our youth!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To RETCOMBATVET....

From your comments you&#039;re obviously in favor of THIS officers use of deadly force. This behavior is frowned upon even if it took place in a war zone let alone the &quot;land of free and home of brave&quot;. 
If you served this country, as your name suggest, them you should now that the Constitutional rights of one your countries citizens have been violated and has resulted in the worst punishment imaginable.
Instead of taking up for and trying to show your support via sarcastic remarks...look at this case and explain to any willing to pay attention how this use of deadly force was needed on a subdued, unarmed man laying on his stomach..This tone and lack of being objective is why anybody other than the FEDs (and even they&#039;re questionable) investigating this is joke. His resignation shows he&#039;s a coward and man of zero character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To RETCOMBATVET&#8230;.</p>
<p>From your comments you&#8217;re obviously in favor of THIS officers use of deadly force. This behavior is frowned upon even if it took place in a war zone let alone the &#8220;land of free and home of brave&#8221;.<br />
If you served this country, as your name suggest, them you should now that the Constitutional rights of one your countries citizens have been violated and has resulted in the worst punishment imaginable.<br />
Instead of taking up for and trying to show your support via sarcastic remarks&#8230;look at this case and explain to any willing to pay attention how this use of deadly force was needed on a subdued, unarmed man laying on his stomach..This tone and lack of being objective is why anybody other than the FEDs (and even they&#8217;re questionable) investigating this is joke. His resignation shows he&#8217;s a coward and man of zero character.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so Oscar is no longer with us. Someone needs to take responsibility for his death. But seriously...its outrageous for the family to be asking for $25,ooo,ooo.oo , i mean no amount of money can replace a son ( a life, etc)... I dont think its at all appropriate...the hype makes me as angry as the murder does. Healing, Justice, and Prayer please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so Oscar is no longer with us. Someone needs to take responsibility for his death. But seriously&#8230;its outrageous for the family to be asking for $25,ooo,ooo.oo , i mean no amount of money can replace a son ( a life, etc)&#8230; I dont think its at all appropriate&#8230;the hype makes me as angry as the murder does. Healing, Justice, and Prayer please.</p>
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		<title>By: RETCOMBATVET</title>
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		<dc:creator>RETCOMBATVET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Mr. Grant didn&#039;t die of gang violence, or drug overdose, or a random robbery, burglary, hit-and-run, or some other everyday occurrence.  Nobody would be damaging anything or taking time from their otherwise dubious or heinous activities.  Not a single member of the general public would care if he died by any other means.  
     How can I say this?  Well, I never hear any protesting when we kill someone like Mr. Grant by any other means.  It&#039;s acceptable for one of us (the general public) to murder him.  It just isn&#039;t acceptable for the police to do it.  Shame on the police for taking away our right to murder.  
     Well, there are plenty of other victims out there for us.  A number of us are already doing our part to destroy our society but the rest of us need to get off of the useless blogging and get back to our self-absorbed lifestyles.  
     Remember, every man for himself.  Fight the power.  Down with &quot;the man&quot;.  Just don&#039;t interfere with my right to hit the hash pipe, or steal from my neighbor, or deal drugs to your children.  
     Thank God for our family values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Mr. Grant didn&#8217;t die of gang violence, or drug overdose, or a random robbery, burglary, hit-and-run, or some other everyday occurrence.  Nobody would be damaging anything or taking time from their otherwise dubious or heinous activities.  Not a single member of the general public would care if he died by any other means.<br />
     How can I say this?  Well, I never hear any protesting when we kill someone like Mr. Grant by any other means.  It&#8217;s acceptable for one of us (the general public) to murder him.  It just isn&#8217;t acceptable for the police to do it.  Shame on the police for taking away our right to murder.<br />
     Well, there are plenty of other victims out there for us.  A number of us are already doing our part to destroy our society but the rest of us need to get off of the useless blogging and get back to our self-absorbed lifestyles.<br />
     Remember, every man for himself.  Fight the power.  Down with &#8220;the man&#8221;.  Just don&#8217;t interfere with my right to hit the hash pipe, or steal from my neighbor, or deal drugs to your children.<br />
     Thank God for our family values.</p>
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