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		<title>By: CaptAdams35</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptAdams35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hannah, the media&#039;s no different than commercial entities. They make their money by what they are selling. If they can take a turd and polish it up nice and pretty, it&#039;ll sell. When America sees &quot;Peacemaker executed&quot;, it sells without needing any founding or facts and incites anger, rage, and a need for vengeance. 

    I have no doubt that Mr. Grant was trying to keep the peace that night. He had crack cocaine on his person and wasn&#039;t wanting to draw attention to himself as he had just gotten out of jail for the same offense. This explains why he fought so hard to keep them from searching him. Unfortunately for Grant, it was New Year&#039;s Eve and the officers had just come off a man with a gun call. In the same situation, I would have thought he was concealing a gun also and reacted accordingly to protect myself, my fellow officers, and the bystanders on the platform.

    As for the &quot;execution&quot; I have a very biased POV on this as the use of force did NOT start with a weapon, but rather verbal commands. The officer ordered Grant to lay face down to be searched just like the others involved in the melee, but he didn&#039;t comply, to which he was physically led to lay down, to which he resisted. When it takes 2 officers to force a subject to comply with a simple search, that subject is resisting. It wasn&#039;t until Meserhle lost control of Grant&#039;s arm and allowed him to jerk it away that he was forced to retreat and draw his weapon. The reports from witnesses said they heard the officer yell &quot;Gun, gun!&quot;. Where anyone in their right mind would consider this an act of murder or execution is beyond comprehension. You don&#039;t retreat to a safe distance to murder someone, you do it to defend yourself. Keep in mind there were dozens if not a hundred people on the platform that were all potential targets if Grant did draw a gun and start shooting randomly to escape arrest. Had this played out that way, I&#039;m sure there would be several families suing BART for not protecting them from a violent gunman with a known history in that area. 

     In closing, I think Grant was a wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing, only a peacemaker when it benefited him. And the officer didn&#039;t murder or execute him, he killed him in attempt to stop a potential catastrophe of bigger proportions. 2 seconds isn&#039;t much time, especially to decide if the guy you&#039;re searching is fighting to get his hands away to either flee or find a weapon. I pulled the crime stats for Fruitvale and the surrounding 1 mile radius, absolutely staggering. Over 90 violent crimes each month. Here, we consider that a crazy year and couldn&#039;t imagine that much violent behavior in a month&#039;s time. 

    With all the evidence collected from the camera phones (and YES it is evidence), the statement from the Medical Examiner&#039;s office, as well as the witnesses (including 2 of Grant&#039;s associates) this is a tragic case of manslaughter in the 2nd degree. 

    I know alot of you have this cowboy image for us, that&#039;s not why we do the job. We work the long hours for ridiculous pay because we are wired to protect the good from the bad, that&#039;s what we do and that&#039;s who we are. Anyone who thinks this officer shot Grant for any other reason than to protect is dead wrong, period. 

    I&#039;m available to answer any REAL questions about the process or procedures. Take care, be safe, and God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hannah, the media&#8217;s no different than commercial entities. They make their money by what they are selling. If they can take a turd and polish it up nice and pretty, it&#8217;ll sell. When America sees &#8220;Peacemaker executed&#8221;, it sells without needing any founding or facts and incites anger, rage, and a need for vengeance. </p>
<p>    I have no doubt that Mr. Grant was trying to keep the peace that night. He had crack cocaine on his person and wasn&#8217;t wanting to draw attention to himself as he had just gotten out of jail for the same offense. This explains why he fought so hard to keep them from searching him. Unfortunately for Grant, it was New Year&#8217;s Eve and the officers had just come off a man with a gun call. In the same situation, I would have thought he was concealing a gun also and reacted accordingly to protect myself, my fellow officers, and the bystanders on the platform.</p>
<p>    As for the &#8220;execution&#8221; I have a very biased POV on this as the use of force did NOT start with a weapon, but rather verbal commands. The officer ordered Grant to lay face down to be searched just like the others involved in the melee, but he didn&#8217;t comply, to which he was physically led to lay down, to which he resisted. When it takes 2 officers to force a subject to comply with a simple search, that subject is resisting. It wasn&#8217;t until Meserhle lost control of Grant&#8217;s arm and allowed him to jerk it away that he was forced to retreat and draw his weapon. The reports from witnesses said they heard the officer yell &#8220;Gun, gun!&#8221;. Where anyone in their right mind would consider this an act of murder or execution is beyond comprehension. You don&#8217;t retreat to a safe distance to murder someone, you do it to defend yourself. Keep in mind there were dozens if not a hundred people on the platform that were all potential targets if Grant did draw a gun and start shooting randomly to escape arrest. Had this played out that way, I&#8217;m sure there would be several families suing BART for not protecting them from a violent gunman with a known history in that area. </p>
<p>     In closing, I think Grant was a wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing, only a peacemaker when it benefited him. And the officer didn&#8217;t murder or execute him, he killed him in attempt to stop a potential catastrophe of bigger proportions. 2 seconds isn&#8217;t much time, especially to decide if the guy you&#8217;re searching is fighting to get his hands away to either flee or find a weapon. I pulled the crime stats for Fruitvale and the surrounding 1 mile radius, absolutely staggering. Over 90 violent crimes each month. Here, we consider that a crazy year and couldn&#8217;t imagine that much violent behavior in a month&#8217;s time. </p>
<p>    With all the evidence collected from the camera phones (and YES it is evidence), the statement from the Medical Examiner&#8217;s office, as well as the witnesses (including 2 of Grant&#8217;s associates) this is a tragic case of manslaughter in the 2nd degree. </p>
<p>    I know alot of you have this cowboy image for us, that&#8217;s not why we do the job. We work the long hours for ridiculous pay because we are wired to protect the good from the bad, that&#8217;s what we do and that&#8217;s who we are. Anyone who thinks this officer shot Grant for any other reason than to protect is dead wrong, period. </p>
<p>    I&#8217;m available to answer any REAL questions about the process or procedures. Take care, be safe, and God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PEACEMAKER???  hahahhaha thats all I can say to that statement. 
Peacemaker hahah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PEACEMAKER???  hahahhaha thats all I can say to that statement.<br />
Peacemaker hahah</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) Grant didn&#039;t deserve to die, but please stop labeling him as some sort of angel. He was a known gang member and a convicted felon. 

(2) Know the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder before you start bitching about what Mehserle should be charged with. 

(3) Let investigators investigate. If you&#039;ve made up your mind based on a few cell phone videos, that&#039;s fine. Don&#039;t expect professionals to be as impatient or stupid. 

(4) Mehserle chose not to speak with investigators, and to retain counsel. He later pleaded not guilty and demanded a jury trial. These are our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS people. If you don&#039;t like it, tough shit. If it bothers you so much, go protest at any county jail and you&#039;ll find hundreds if not thousands of others going through the exact same process. 

My opinion: The shooting was an accidental homicide. I don&#039;t think Mehserle will be convicted of murder. Manslaughter maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Grant didn&#8217;t deserve to die, but please stop labeling him as some sort of angel. He was a known gang member and a convicted felon. </p>
<p>(2) Know the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder before you start bitching about what Mehserle should be charged with. </p>
<p>(3) Let investigators investigate. If you&#8217;ve made up your mind based on a few cell phone videos, that&#8217;s fine. Don&#8217;t expect professionals to be as impatient or stupid. </p>
<p>(4) Mehserle chose not to speak with investigators, and to retain counsel. He later pleaded not guilty and demanded a jury trial. These are our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS people. If you don&#8217;t like it, tough shit. If it bothers you so much, go protest at any county jail and you&#8217;ll find hundreds if not thousands of others going through the exact same process. </p>
<p>My opinion: The shooting was an accidental homicide. I don&#8217;t think Mehserle will be convicted of murder. Manslaughter maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: R2 D2</title>
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		<dc:creator>R2 D2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oscar Grant&#039;s death was obviously something that never should have happened, whether or not he was a criminal or a &quot;street-saint&quot;. Police brutality should not and will never be tolerated in the US. What&#039;s funny to me though, is the fact that when others die from police brutality, nobody makes a big deal. It&#039;s just because the media has blown it up into something it wasn&#039;t. Oscar Grant was no saint. None of us are. Oscar Grant made mistakes, and so do all of us. He was normal. So why do you all care so much about this one isolated incident of police brutality when it happens every single day?
The BART officer did shoot him by mistake, but he did take evidence which he shouldn&#039;t have done. Oscar Grant was brutally executed. Nobody deserves that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar Grant&#8217;s death was obviously something that never should have happened, whether or not he was a criminal or a &#8220;street-saint&#8221;. Police brutality should not and will never be tolerated in the US. What&#8217;s funny to me though, is the fact that when others die from police brutality, nobody makes a big deal. It&#8217;s just because the media has blown it up into something it wasn&#8217;t. Oscar Grant was no saint. None of us are. Oscar Grant made mistakes, and so do all of us. He was normal. So why do you all care so much about this one isolated incident of police brutality when it happens every single day?<br />
The BART officer did shoot him by mistake, but he did take evidence which he shouldn&#8217;t have done. Oscar Grant was brutally executed. Nobody deserves that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... A young girl will grow up without her father. ... Grant being in prison then, a couple weeks after getting out, being out at 2 a.m. sounds ALREADY like his little girl was growing up without a father.  &quot;Peacemaker&quot;?!?! You&#039;ve got to be freakin&#039; KIDDING me. This is criminally negligent homicide at best. No way it is first degree murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; A young girl will grow up without her father. &#8230; Grant being in prison then, a couple weeks after getting out, being out at 2 a.m. sounds ALREADY like his little girl was growing up without a father.  &#8220;Peacemaker&#8221;?!?! You&#8217;ve got to be freakin&#8217; KIDDING me. This is criminally negligent homicide at best. No way it is first degree murder.</p>
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		<title>By: annoyed at the world</title>
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		<dc:creator>annoyed at the world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and also.... who cares about his past...? nor criminal records. he is still human. that goes for the police officer too.. but racism and prejudice is something that really ticks me off. -from an EDUCATED 13-year-old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and also&#8230;. who cares about his past&#8230;? nor criminal records. he is still human. that goes for the police officer too.. but racism and prejudice is something that really ticks me off. -from an EDUCATED 13-year-old</p>
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		<title>By: annoyed at the world</title>
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		<dc:creator>annoyed at the world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it&#039;s pretty interesting to see of the comments here, some disrespecting Oscar and his family...... yet some saying the &quot;truth&quot; and some opinioned comments just really annoying and disturbing..... Personally, the police officer whats-his-name... is human and makes mistakes... but i do believe that he should be charged with murder... and in front of so many people and then ALSO.... taking away their video cameras and cell phones.... for.... &quot;evidence&quot;? yeah..... i suppose it&#039;s debatable whether he did it just because he didn&#039;t like his skin color or whether it was a genuine accident.... and come on people.. put yourself in Oscar Grant&#039;s shoes... it&#039;s extremely sad when you think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s pretty interesting to see of the comments here, some disrespecting Oscar and his family&#8230;&#8230; yet some saying the &#8220;truth&#8221; and some opinioned comments just really annoying and disturbing&#8230;.. Personally, the police officer whats-his-name&#8230; is human and makes mistakes&#8230; but i do believe that he should be charged with murder&#8230; and in front of so many people and then ALSO&#8230;. taking away their video cameras and cell phones&#8230;. for&#8230;. &#8220;evidence&#8221;? yeah&#8230;.. i suppose it&#8217;s debatable whether he did it just because he didn&#8217;t like his skin color or whether it was a genuine accident&#8230;. and come on people.. put yourself in Oscar Grant&#8217;s shoes&#8230; it&#8217;s extremely sad when you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: frustrated with this</title>
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		<dc:creator>frustrated with this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man this whole thing is bullshit. OK first of all why would an officer purposely kill someone with so many witnesses? Obviously with all the states I&#039;ve seen it was a fucking accident. U forget to see how the officer acted afterwards...he was fucking mortified! Stop being so fucking closed minded just cuz it was a white officer and a black man. Even Grants own FRIENDS is helping the officer&#039;s case by saying that he warned Grant he was going to be tased. And Grants attorney(whatever his fucking name is) is mad that BART is trying to defend itself with what Grant&#039;s friends say. Oh so Bart isn&#039;t allowed to defend itself when a black community is bashing them with hella shit? Fuck that! Think outside the fucking box. I&#039;m white and I support blacks but to be honest the way Grants attorney and people acted to this with rioting and not opening their mind, I have no sympathy for the black community anymore. You dont fucking deserve it. I think its bullshit how you can&#039;t see it&#039;s a fucking accident and a tragedy but they are trying to put an innocent man in jail for life for a fucking involuntary manslaughter. Stupid ass Grant family was for trying MURDER LOL. Go for what you will win and that&#039;s INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. NOT Murder...with Murder you&#039;re gonna fucking lose cuz he didn&#039;t intentionally murder him. And another thing.....what is up with people of color always &quot;going there&quot;? Its so fucking old. I&#039;m just venting my frustrations with this shit. So FUCK Grants attorney. Trying to get 50 mil and thinks he can fucking get on Bart for defending itself from Grant&#039;s friend&#039;s statements. No they are not snitches, they are telling the fucking truth and that piece of shit attorney can fuck himself for trying to get more money out of it. 

Now I know i&#039;m going to get a lot of negative feedback, but I can give 2 shits about it. I do give my condolences to the Grant family, but I just need to throw it out there so they can see that all this is just an accidental death. Keep ur mind open people and not the whole blacks and white cops thing. Seriously fucking old. 

And to all the close minded assholes, go fuck yourself with the Grant attorneys greedy fucking cock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man this whole thing is bullshit. OK first of all why would an officer purposely kill someone with so many witnesses? Obviously with all the states I&#8217;ve seen it was a fucking accident. U forget to see how the officer acted afterwards&#8230;he was fucking mortified! Stop being so fucking closed minded just cuz it was a white officer and a black man. Even Grants own FRIENDS is helping the officer&#8217;s case by saying that he warned Grant he was going to be tased. And Grants attorney(whatever his fucking name is) is mad that BART is trying to defend itself with what Grant&#8217;s friends say. Oh so Bart isn&#8217;t allowed to defend itself when a black community is bashing them with hella shit? Fuck that! Think outside the fucking box. I&#8217;m white and I support blacks but to be honest the way Grants attorney and people acted to this with rioting and not opening their mind, I have no sympathy for the black community anymore. You dont fucking deserve it. I think its bullshit how you can&#8217;t see it&#8217;s a fucking accident and a tragedy but they are trying to put an innocent man in jail for life for a fucking involuntary manslaughter. Stupid ass Grant family was for trying MURDER LOL. Go for what you will win and that&#8217;s INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. NOT Murder&#8230;with Murder you&#8217;re gonna fucking lose cuz he didn&#8217;t intentionally murder him. And another thing&#8230;..what is up with people of color always &#8220;going there&#8221;? Its so fucking old. I&#8217;m just venting my frustrations with this shit. So FUCK Grants attorney. Trying to get 50 mil and thinks he can fucking get on Bart for defending itself from Grant&#8217;s friend&#8217;s statements. No they are not snitches, they are telling the fucking truth and that piece of shit attorney can fuck himself for trying to get more money out of it. </p>
<p>Now I know i&#8217;m going to get a lot of negative feedback, but I can give 2 shits about it. I do give my condolences to the Grant family, but I just need to throw it out there so they can see that all this is just an accidental death. Keep ur mind open people and not the whole blacks and white cops thing. Seriously fucking old. </p>
<p>And to all the close minded assholes, go fuck yourself with the Grant attorneys greedy fucking cock.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptAdams35</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptAdams35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marien,
       While I agree with you that the loss of life well overshadows his past, we can&#039;t dismiss the facts that led up to this tragic event. The officers had just gotten a man with a gun call 30 minutes earlier and were responding to a call for help from the train operator. The gang fight, or brawl if you prefer, was escalating to the point that threats of shootings and death were reported by the passengers on the train. The officers pulled the parties out of the train and separated them from the crowd and followed procedure by searching them for weapons. It wasn&#039;t until Mr. Grant resisted, refused, and fought them that the big red flags started going up and a second officer was required to force him to comply and be searched. How could anyone know that he was hiding cocaine instead of a gun? They didn&#039;t have x-ray vision to tell what he was trying to grab in his jacket. Instead of waiting for him to produce a gun, narcotics, or even a tv remote, the officer retreated to a safe distance and drew his weapon so he would be at the ready if a gun did emerge from Grant&#039;s jacket. I think he accidentally discharged his weapon in the rush of the moment and don&#039;t think he intended to pull a taser at all, as they are carried on the off-side from their duty weapon so that they DON&#039;T get confused with the other. There are several things that could have kept this from happening: Oscar could have stayed at home that night with his little girl, Oscar could have gotten off the train with the other people when the fight started (if he wasn&#039;t the one that started it in the first place), Oscar could have complied with the police and told them he had the cocaine on him instead of trying to hide it (he didn&#039;t know they had just come off a man with a gun call and that they would be on alert for him trying to reach into his jacket), with it being New Year&#039;s Eve they had bigger fish to fry than a street thug with a little coke on him, and lastly the officer could have employed the use of force continuum more effectively. He may have broken Grant&#039;s arm when he tried to pull away, but he wouldn&#039;t have lost control of it allowing Grant to put it under him in his jacket leading them to think he was going for a gun. A broken arm seems alot more acceptable than death, especially in this instance. Remember, Grant put himself in this situation and his actions ultimately dictated the end result. Had he merely complied and let the officers check and clear him of having any weapons, this NEVER would have come to this. Now to the point of &quot;murder&quot;, it wasn&#039;t a cold blooded act, anyone watching this can tell by the look on the officer&#039;s face that he did NOT want to shoot. At the very most, I can see manslaughter, but expect a jury to see it as an officer trying to defend himself, his fellow officers, and the passengers on that platform from a potential shooter. Keep in mind, NO ONE (not you, me, the passengers, or those officers) knew it was drugs instead of a gun that he was hiding until AFTER he had been shot and they were finally able to cuff him and search him. Hope you don&#039;t think I was trying to shoot you down, you have a very valid opinion, but the facts can&#039;t be dismissed by emotions. Wishing you the very best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marien,<br />
       While I agree with you that the loss of life well overshadows his past, we can&#8217;t dismiss the facts that led up to this tragic event. The officers had just gotten a man with a gun call 30 minutes earlier and were responding to a call for help from the train operator. The gang fight, or brawl if you prefer, was escalating to the point that threats of shootings and death were reported by the passengers on the train. The officers pulled the parties out of the train and separated them from the crowd and followed procedure by searching them for weapons. It wasn&#8217;t until Mr. Grant resisted, refused, and fought them that the big red flags started going up and a second officer was required to force him to comply and be searched. How could anyone know that he was hiding cocaine instead of a gun? They didn&#8217;t have x-ray vision to tell what he was trying to grab in his jacket. Instead of waiting for him to produce a gun, narcotics, or even a tv remote, the officer retreated to a safe distance and drew his weapon so he would be at the ready if a gun did emerge from Grant&#8217;s jacket. I think he accidentally discharged his weapon in the rush of the moment and don&#8217;t think he intended to pull a taser at all, as they are carried on the off-side from their duty weapon so that they DON&#8217;T get confused with the other. There are several things that could have kept this from happening: Oscar could have stayed at home that night with his little girl, Oscar could have gotten off the train with the other people when the fight started (if he wasn&#8217;t the one that started it in the first place), Oscar could have complied with the police and told them he had the cocaine on him instead of trying to hide it (he didn&#8217;t know they had just come off a man with a gun call and that they would be on alert for him trying to reach into his jacket), with it being New Year&#8217;s Eve they had bigger fish to fry than a street thug with a little coke on him, and lastly the officer could have employed the use of force continuum more effectively. He may have broken Grant&#8217;s arm when he tried to pull away, but he wouldn&#8217;t have lost control of it allowing Grant to put it under him in his jacket leading them to think he was going for a gun. A broken arm seems alot more acceptable than death, especially in this instance. Remember, Grant put himself in this situation and his actions ultimately dictated the end result. Had he merely complied and let the officers check and clear him of having any weapons, this NEVER would have come to this. Now to the point of &#8220;murder&#8221;, it wasn&#8217;t a cold blooded act, anyone watching this can tell by the look on the officer&#8217;s face that he did NOT want to shoot. At the very most, I can see manslaughter, but expect a jury to see it as an officer trying to defend himself, his fellow officers, and the passengers on that platform from a potential shooter. Keep in mind, NO ONE (not you, me, the passengers, or those officers) knew it was drugs instead of a gun that he was hiding until AFTER he had been shot and they were finally able to cuff him and search him. Hope you don&#8217;t think I was trying to shoot you down, you have a very valid opinion, but the facts can&#8217;t be dismissed by emotions. Wishing you the very best.</p>
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		<title>By: Marien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BriGuy,

I personally thing that your wrong. Yes your right he giving his daughter a bad example but just because he has a record of felonies doesn&#039;t mean he ain&#039;t human. To my understanding it doesn&#039;t matter he has pay his time for what he done and no one should be judging that. he pass is his pass present is now. And if everyone who has a record could be abuse for charges that would mean that everyone can do so. no i don&#039;t think so. He is only 22 and berly having fun and what if he was there at the wrong time in wrong day when he got charge? He was just trying to do what the governmaent told him to do, to not drive under the influence for new years and what happen he gets killed for doing as told.

Mehserle might had done a mistake becuase in the video his face look like oh shit what did i do. but if he doesn&#039;t get charge of murder for a mistake then this country has being doing the wrong thing to others. And beside have u thought of why was he gonna use his layzer gun if Oscar Grant was already following the rules? thing about it and if anyone else got something to say about my thoughts let me know at my yahoo mail:
marien_sanchez023@ymail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BriGuy,</p>
<p>I personally thing that your wrong. Yes your right he giving his daughter a bad example but just because he has a record of felonies doesn&#8217;t mean he ain&#8217;t human. To my understanding it doesn&#8217;t matter he has pay his time for what he done and no one should be judging that. he pass is his pass present is now. And if everyone who has a record could be abuse for charges that would mean that everyone can do so. no i don&#8217;t think so. He is only 22 and berly having fun and what if he was there at the wrong time in wrong day when he got charge? He was just trying to do what the governmaent told him to do, to not drive under the influence for new years and what happen he gets killed for doing as told.</p>
<p>Mehserle might had done a mistake becuase in the video his face look like oh shit what did i do. but if he doesn&#8217;t get charge of murder for a mistake then this country has being doing the wrong thing to others. And beside have u thought of why was he gonna use his layzer gun if Oscar Grant was already following the rules? thing about it and if anyone else got something to say about my thoughts let me know at my yahoo mail:<br />
<a href="mailto:marien_sanchez023@ymail.com">marien_sanchez023@ymail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: not my real name</title>
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		<dc:creator>not my real name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was definitely an accident, and their should definitely be consequences, but Oscar Grant was involved in a fight, he was the one resisting arrest, he was the one that made this horrible accident possible.

Also the protesters the week or so after were all dumb as hell.  Wrecking peoples lives because they&#039;re upset.

Also I agree with the guy above me that there should not be a murder charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was definitely an accident, and their should definitely be consequences, but Oscar Grant was involved in a fight, he was the one resisting arrest, he was the one that made this horrible accident possible.</p>
<p>Also the protesters the week or so after were all dumb as hell.  Wrecking peoples lives because they&#8217;re upset.</p>
<p>Also I agree with the guy above me that there should not be a murder charge.</p>
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		<title>By: BriGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BriGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oscar Grant was a peacemaker, huh?

Is that why he just got out of jail 4 months earlier for dealing drugs, and has other felonies under his belt?  This all coming from a father of a daughter...what a great example.  

And Johannes Mehserle, who just had his first child the day after the shooting...is that what a man who is about to be a father decides to do?  Go shoot some guy, because he hates blacks?  Yeah right!

It was a mistake.  Mehserle made a dumb mistake, and although he should never be able to wear a badge again, should NOT be charged with murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar Grant was a peacemaker, huh?</p>
<p>Is that why he just got out of jail 4 months earlier for dealing drugs, and has other felonies under his belt?  This all coming from a father of a daughter&#8230;what a great example.  </p>
<p>And Johannes Mehserle, who just had his first child the day after the shooting&#8230;is that what a man who is about to be a father decides to do?  Go shoot some guy, because he hates blacks?  Yeah right!</p>
<p>It was a mistake.  Mehserle made a dumb mistake, and although he should never be able to wear a badge again, should NOT be charged with murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Gbaby74</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gbaby74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condlences to the family yes, but this guy is far from a martyr. He there causing troulble, maybe excessive force was used but the bottom line is if he had not been causing trouble the altercation would not have taken place in the first place. I tell you one of the thing I hat as a black woman in society is when black folks act a damn fool, make situations uncomfortable for those around them by being loud, beligerant and disrespectful then when they are arrested or approached by the police it turns into an issue of race. Bullshit I&#039;m sure this news has reached the President, but I;m sure he is not a supporter of this guy just like he did not support Kwame Kilpatrick in the stupid things he did. We as the black race need to wake up and check ourselves instead of blaming every single thing that goes wrong in our lives on the &quot;white man&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condlences to the family yes, but this guy is far from a martyr. He there causing troulble, maybe excessive force was used but the bottom line is if he had not been causing trouble the altercation would not have taken place in the first place. I tell you one of the thing I hat as a black woman in society is when black folks act a damn fool, make situations uncomfortable for those around them by being loud, beligerant and disrespectful then when they are arrested or approached by the police it turns into an issue of race. Bullshit I&#8217;m sure this news has reached the President, but I;m sure he is not a supporter of this guy just like he did not support Kwame Kilpatrick in the stupid things he did. We as the black race need to wake up and check ourselves instead of blaming every single thing that goes wrong in our lives on the &#8220;white man&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Kohlien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Kohlien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pains my heart to hear about such a tragedy.  We (people who care) must not let his death be in vain.  Oscar was a modren day martyr and we must make sure the world knows that things like this still happen!  May GOD bless the people responsible for this website; and condolences to the berieved family.
This incident is not only about race but it is a reflection of our percieved &quot;brotherhood&quot;.  We still are not accepted as members of the American family and in extreme cases as such; the human race.  Issues like this must be addressed on the Presidential level.  I wonder if this has entered President Obamas&#039; range of awareness????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pains my heart to hear about such a tragedy.  We (people who care) must not let his death be in vain.  Oscar was a modren day martyr and we must make sure the world knows that things like this still happen!  May GOD bless the people responsible for this website; and condolences to the berieved family.<br />
This incident is not only about race but it is a reflection of our percieved &#8220;brotherhood&#8221;.  We still are not accepted as members of the American family and in extreme cases as such; the human race.  Issues like this must be addressed on the Presidential level.  I wonder if this has entered President Obamas&#8217; range of awareness????</p>
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		<title>By: One less</title>
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		<dc:creator>One less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny that Oscar&#039;s old man is in prison for life and he is suing BART for familial loss.. LOL Darwin wins again..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny that Oscar&#8217;s old man is in prison for life and he is suing BART for familial loss.. LOL Darwin wins again..</p>
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		<title>By: Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow...after reading some of these comments I can not believe that some one would come on here and disrespect Oscar Grant&#039;s mother, wife and child. Weather it was an accident or not Oscar Grant was murder and there is no coming back from death. Most of yall need to look at it like if it were your son, husband or father then your opinions will changes and the fact that yall are saying it is ok because Oscar Grant did time in prison is sickening it is wrong to judge someone soley based of their past...we all have a past good and bad no one is perfect..It just shows how Sick American socity truly is we became numb to justice and equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;after reading some of these comments I can not believe that some one would come on here and disrespect Oscar Grant&#8217;s mother, wife and child. Weather it was an accident or not Oscar Grant was murder and there is no coming back from death. Most of yall need to look at it like if it were your son, husband or father then your opinions will changes and the fact that yall are saying it is ok because Oscar Grant did time in prison is sickening it is wrong to judge someone soley based of their past&#8230;we all have a past good and bad no one is perfect..It just shows how Sick American socity truly is we became numb to justice and equality.</p>
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		<title>By: Родион</title>
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		<dc:creator>Родион</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Занятно. Значит надо какие-нибудь поправки вносить.</description>
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		<title>By: Bubba Gump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba Gump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am truly tired of the media circus the grant family&#039;s lawyer and his goons are making of this whole thing, money is all that is driving these people.  Grant wasn&#039;t murdered, it wasn&#039;t pre-meditated.  Too bad he was shot, sad the child he fathered won&#039;t get to see him anymore...but really, how ofter did she see him anyway???  He and his bunch of thug friends caused problems on the train, grant acted up and got what he deserved.  Get over it and find something better to focus on.  You people, for sure, wouldn&#039;t make such a ruckus had grant been White and the officer black.  You&#039;d give the black a medal and say it was all the victims fault.  Own up to what you people do...get real jobs and act like the rest of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am truly tired of the media circus the grant family&#8217;s lawyer and his goons are making of this whole thing, money is all that is driving these people.  Grant wasn&#8217;t murdered, it wasn&#8217;t pre-meditated.  Too bad he was shot, sad the child he fathered won&#8217;t get to see him anymore&#8230;but really, how ofter did she see him anyway???  He and his bunch of thug friends caused problems on the train, grant acted up and got what he deserved.  Get over it and find something better to focus on.  You people, for sure, wouldn&#8217;t make such a ruckus had grant been White and the officer black.  You&#8217;d give the black a medal and say it was all the victims fault.  Own up to what you people do&#8230;get real jobs and act like the rest of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate where you&#039;re coming from, Hanh, and I appreciate the question that many people get stuck on. &quot;Where do you see fairness?&quot;.... There is NO fairness in killing someone, but death isn&#039;t biased. The odds of the round ricocheting back up off the floor and through Mr. Grant&#039;s lung were 1 in a 1000. Some will dismiss it as a freak accident and others will call it an act of God, either way it wasn&#039;t the intention of the officer that shot him. What most people have overlooked is the basic elements of the shooting, and have added theories and opinions to the mix of an already horrible situation. It was New Year&#039;s Eve, there was a fight on the train, the officers had just come from a man with a gun call, Grant resisted, the officer lost control of Grant&#039;s arm, Grant moved his arm towards his jacket, the officer took it as a threat that he may be going for a gun, the officer retreated to safety and fired an immobilizing shot into Grant&#039;s lower back. This was the recipe for disaster and the most tragic thing that could have been imagined happened. You have to keep in mind that Mr. Grant didn&#039;t cooperate and didn&#039;t let the officers search him to clear him of having any weapons. It wasn&#039;t until after he had been shot and quit struggling that they were able to handcuff him and search him to find that he didn&#039;t have a gun. It went from bad to worse and then the riots afterwards only compounded an already tragic situation. I haven&#039;t spoken with his girlfriend, but can imagine the hurt and anger she&#039;s dealing with and my heart and prayers go out to her as well as his little girl, his sister, and cousin. They&#039;re all great people that deserved alot better outcome in life than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate where you&#8217;re coming from, Hanh, and I appreciate the question that many people get stuck on. &#8220;Where do you see fairness?&#8221;&#8230;. There is NO fairness in killing someone, but death isn&#8217;t biased. The odds of the round ricocheting back up off the floor and through Mr. Grant&#8217;s lung were 1 in a 1000. Some will dismiss it as a freak accident and others will call it an act of God, either way it wasn&#8217;t the intention of the officer that shot him. What most people have overlooked is the basic elements of the shooting, and have added theories and opinions to the mix of an already horrible situation. It was New Year&#8217;s Eve, there was a fight on the train, the officers had just come from a man with a gun call, Grant resisted, the officer lost control of Grant&#8217;s arm, Grant moved his arm towards his jacket, the officer took it as a threat that he may be going for a gun, the officer retreated to safety and fired an immobilizing shot into Grant&#8217;s lower back. This was the recipe for disaster and the most tragic thing that could have been imagined happened. You have to keep in mind that Mr. Grant didn&#8217;t cooperate and didn&#8217;t let the officers search him to clear him of having any weapons. It wasn&#8217;t until after he had been shot and quit struggling that they were able to handcuff him and search him to find that he didn&#8217;t have a gun. It went from bad to worse and then the riots afterwards only compounded an already tragic situation. I haven&#8217;t spoken with his girlfriend, but can imagine the hurt and anger she&#8217;s dealing with and my heart and prayers go out to her as well as his little girl, his sister, and cousin. They&#8217;re all great people that deserved alot better outcome in life than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanh Nguyen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanh Nguyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say that its a horrible thing to have to witness there is no crime that is worse then one where it is on camera and off camera that a man was shot and killed on camera to show that (killing) wether it was staged and on stage that crimes that have to do with color and money wether it is asked of the person to do things that are not what god said for him or her to do to his or her self its sad that when a man that is a peace activist a father with a 4 year old daughter someones boyfriend someones son make peace with with Oscar Grant i&#039;m sure his voice can still be heard today and that he is at peace where we are still here to be what god has put for us to be together and the man that shot Oscar Grant a bart police officer along with other police officers were all on camera at the time of the shooting so there is a lot of evidence on what happens to the futures of these men and women. For the rest of their lives they all have to say and feel that they have committed such an awful crime and we will all be here to keep up with how a man and women can be free from all the sins and things that they say they that they will can and can not be true. so does committed mean that in other words what has been taken from the life of Mr. Oscar Grant is sin? why would any man have any kind of sin? The man that pulled the trigger now has sin. And for the lives that Oscar Grant left behind they are there to describe their son her boyfriend their daughter their granddaughter. So where do you see fairness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say that its a horrible thing to have to witness there is no crime that is worse then one where it is on camera and off camera that a man was shot and killed on camera to show that (killing) wether it was staged and on stage that crimes that have to do with color and money wether it is asked of the person to do things that are not what god said for him or her to do to his or her self its sad that when a man that is a peace activist a father with a 4 year old daughter someones boyfriend someones son make peace with with Oscar Grant i&#8217;m sure his voice can still be heard today and that he is at peace where we are still here to be what god has put for us to be together and the man that shot Oscar Grant a bart police officer along with other police officers were all on camera at the time of the shooting so there is a lot of evidence on what happens to the futures of these men and women. For the rest of their lives they all have to say and feel that they have committed such an awful crime and we will all be here to keep up with how a man and women can be free from all the sins and things that they say they that they will can and can not be true. so does committed mean that in other words what has been taken from the life of Mr. Oscar Grant is sin? why would any man have any kind of sin? The man that pulled the trigger now has sin. And for the lives that Oscar Grant left behind they are there to describe their son her boyfriend their daughter their granddaughter. So where do you see fairness?</p>
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