March 24, 2009
Police 2, Oakland residents 4
by POCC Minister of Information JR
Fast forward nearly three months later – after the first of a series of Oakland rebellions made the police arrest BART police triggerman Johannes Mehserle in Nevada and after the bailing out of Mehserle for $300,000*: On March 21, 26-year-old Lovelle Mixon was murdered by Oakland police after allegedly killing four of them on MacArthur Boulevard off of 73rd Avenue in East Oakland.
Ironically, thousands of people at the same time Lovelle lost his life were protesting the war in Iraq, when San Francisco police attacked the crowd. But only dozens gathered to see what happened to Lovelle Mixon, who let his actions speak about what he thought of the racial profiling in our community.
This time, instead of the Gaza Strip in the Middle East, we’re talking about the MacArthur Strip in East Oakland. Instead of the occupation force of the Israelis in Palestine or the Americans in Iraq or Afghanistan, the low income Black communities in America are dealing with the police, FBI, ATF and DEA, to name a few. Instead of a suicide bomber or a sniper holed up in a building, Lovelle turned out to be a suicide sniper who used a gun instead of a bomb to take out enemies of the community.
Now that the rabbit has the gun, the police and the media want us to forget the despair that they now feel is the same way we repeatedly feel when we are indiscriminately killed in the streets by police, as in the cases of Oscar Grant, Terrance Mearis, Donte Story, Amadou Diallo, Annette Garcia, Adolph Grimes, Casper Banjo, Anita Gaye, Aaron Harrison, Kathryn Johnston, Sean Bell and Gary King, except in our cases we know that no police officer is going to serve any real time for murdering members of our community.
Now in the days following what some in the Black community see as a day of heroic resistance against the police, the mainstream news is working overtime to show Black toddlers putting flowers on the police-created “street memorials” of the four officers, as well as an old Black woman crying at one of the scenes, talking about how dangerous this East Oakland community has become.
On the Monday following the latest round in Black males versus the police in the “Game of Death” that put the stats for ‘09 at Police 2, Oakland residents 4, BART officer Mehserle’s trial was given a two-month continuance. John Burris, the civil lawyer for Oscar Grant’s family, pointed out how this is another case of Johannes Mehserle, who is on trial for the murder of Oscar Grant, being given preferential treatment.
Mehserle’s legal strategy seems to be to use the continuance so that all the pro-police sentiment that is drummed up by the mainstream media over the next two months can be used to prejudice a jury in Mehserle’s case to show “how dangerous these Black males are.” If these two cases are unrelated, as people in the San Francisco Chronicle have been saying, then why has Mehserle’s trial been put off for so long?
If you look at the issue of Time Magazine that features Obama on the cover and reports on him being sworn in, you will see that the rising tension between the residents of Oakland and the Oakland police has been a national story since the beginning of the year. Yet from America’s first Black president you have heard nothing specifically about Oakland. But you have heard about his stimulus bill, which has $1 billion slated for putting 100,000 more police on America’s streets.
If the city of Oakland is scared now, they should be scared when that money is disbursed, because that is 100,000 more chances that a Black male who is politically and economically disenfranchised will commit “revolutionary suicide,” to quote one of the revolutionary icons from Oakland, Minister of Defense Huey P. Newton of the Black Panther Party.
To all the Three Strikes supporters, police sympathizers and prison industry businessmen, how does it feel when the rabbit has the gun? Welcome to East Oakland.
Email POCC Minister of Information JR at blockreportradio@gmail.com and visit www.blockreportradio.com.
*Mehserle’s bail was set at $3 million; $300,000 is the 10 percent that had to be paid for his release.
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This East Oakland resident is glad to see Mixon off the streets. Tonight’s East Oakland vigil shows you are in the minority with your support for a child rapist and a five-time murderer. And when someone like Mixon turns his gun on you, I hope you are man enough to face him without the help of the police.
Shooting someone on the ground is not heroic. Look to the example of MLK if you want to know what heroics look like–walking into the storm with no gun and an agreement with each of your supporters that no violence will be used for the cause under any circumstances, no matter how much violence is heaped upon you.
These police are just lower-middle-class folks trying to make ends meet with a thankless job. Trying to make them out to be agents of a state bent on destruction of the black community just makes you look foolish.
Is this “police sympathizer” afraid of a rabbit with a gun? No, because with a gun a rabbit is still a rabbit, hiding afraid in his hole. Afraid to try to do something productive with his life because he know he might fail. Afraid to face the real problems his community faces (hint, the police are neither the problem nor the solution). And unlike the rabbit with a gun, I’m military trained and know how to use mine.
You’re one sick mofo.
Wow, what a terrible article defending a rapist and murderer. This web site brings shame on the black community.
“Lovelle Mixon was linked by DNA to the February rape of a 12-year-old negro girl who was dragged off the street at gunpoint in the East Oakland neighborhood where Mixon’s sister lived, police said today.”
You Negroes prey on each other…. what if that was your sister?? would you be writing this crap?..This only enforces what the majority of decent law abiding think of you racist,ignorant..Black folk of Oakland…you just keep lowering your standards in society as a whole..you think you got shot at now??? what to you see what happens when you get pulled over now!!!they have uzi’s pointed at your hooded heads…yeah the rabbit might have the gun…but guess what..the mofo wolf…Po-Po will have an Uzi on you…you asked for it and will get it back in spades…
While you bring attention to the torment of everyday living brings while residing in East Oakland, give thanks that you don’t live in the Gaza strip or Iraq. Its the enablers of Mixon who want to use him for martyr fodder, as well as the writer of this hit piece. Your selling a story of the black community in east Oakland with wrong results. Your calling attention to your community in the negative to be sure. Your community defined by your piece should be a martyr for the world to see. Look at how we’ve been screwed by the man (white)for years. Well, look in the mirror, and you and your pen do nothing but incite negativity towards your plight and hatred of attitudes not color.
You take pride in calling each other nigger, and you don’t understand its a black thing. Well, you don’t understand us either, its a repulsed by a militant attitude thing, its a do the right thing thing. Its a get your ass in church and pray to God thing!
The gangsta pose and dress statement glorifies why you have the problem you do yesterday, today and 5 years from now. You glorify as a right of passage if you do time in jail and score your first gun on the street for protection. Protection from black on black crimes? Jockeying to knock off an intruder dealing on there street corner? Blame the white establishment when black families perpetuate babies having babies and then have no clue but to yell and scream, mistreat the child at a very young age with no understanding that his father was a passing fancy and a gleam in your mothers eyes?
Take the fight to not only the streets, but to the families in teaching them to love not dispose of the child when they get too unruly and give them CHRIST not a gun!
24 March 2009
How does it feel when the rabbit has the gun?
I would imagine that it feels like the hunter who chased the lion – until it caught him.
It has been noted in the past that the pig does not like the ‘trial in the streets.’ Tactically speaking, he doesn’t like to be out fought, out maneuvered, out manned, nor out gunned.
This is why they generally fight the way they do – thousand to 1 odds, heavily weighted – they think – in their own favor.
But even as they’ve made the tactics and strategies of every guerrilla fighter from the Apache Indigenous Peoples to Harriet Tubman to Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevarra to Carlos Marighela to Sun Tzu required reading by everyone from the FBI to the NSA, they have forgotten what El Hajj Malik El Shabazz once said about odds, when describing the guerrilla fighters of Africa and of Vietnam:
We don’t care nothing about odds…Guerrilla fighting takes heart, it takes nerve, it takes someone who doesn’t need a whole lot of company in battle: all s/he needs/needed was a blade…
To me, two of the more interesting things to surface about this situation, aside from those mentioned in the article ‘Police 2, Oakland Residents 4,’ are that :
1.
According to reports from Lovelle Mixon’s family, he had decided that he wasn’t going back to jail. People need to really think about this in terms of the mental acuity it really represents: the surfacing of the thought and the action that says, ‘no mas,’ the refusal to ever be an enslaved, victim of the state, ever again, even unto death.
This didn’t occur as the result of a town hall meeting, an organizational decision, nor a public debate. There was no public fanfare, no announcement on TV or radio or You Tube. There were no last minute notes.
It was a statement of fact, acknowledged within the self, and acted upon thereafter, by any means necessary.
This reminds me forcefully of ex-middleweight boxer Reuben ‘Hurricane’ Carter’s refusal to wear prison clothes in defiance of the 3 murder convictions in 1966 of which he was acquitted 22 years later.
He didn’t announce it. He didn’t look for supporters. He just fought his battle – and won.
2.
Lovelle Mixon is now being demonized in the corporate press as a rapist, ‘matched’ allegedly by way of comparing DNA tests from prison records of Mixon’s from 2002 and evidence from the 5 February 2009 rape of a 12 year old child.
The police, however, have no real idea of whether or not Mixon was the rapist; nor do they know if he was the rapist of several prostitutes in the same area.
Nor, do I believe that they suddenly care.
As an AFRIKAN Woman, I have absolutely no sympathy whatever for rapists, of any size, shape, color, or form.
However, I’m nearly certain that (true or not) splashing this story boldly across hard copy, digital, and televised news in the aftermath of 4 police deaths at the hands of 1 lone AFRIKAN is no accidental ‘exclusive.’
Rather, it is a coldly calculated effort on the part of the press and the police to create the same type of lynch mob mentality and feeding frenzy hysteria against AFRIKAN people, young AFRIKAN Men particularly, that Ida B. Wells Barnett fought against relentlessly from the late 1800’s until her death in 1931.
So – while Barack Obama doesn’t talk like bu$h – he just acts like him (and those before him); Oakland, CA (and other cities across the U.S.) continue to be escalating war zones: the Police and the Powers that be vs. the People.
BARAK OBAMA is continuing the U.S. boycott of the World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerances (WCAR) begun by GWB in 2001 ‘to avoid confronting the systemic persistence of racism and xenophobia and eliminate initiatives to redress past crimes against humanity.’ (Preserving Inequality: Analyizing Obama’s Boycott of the Durban Review Conference) http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2009/03/preserving-inequality-analyzing-obama.html
OSCAR GRANT III was murdered execution style in public for being young, gifted, and Black, and his killers, quislings of that same U.S. Order of Systemic Racism and Imperial Expansion remain free and licensed to kill as repeatedly as they please.
Both situations are intimately related in that in both instances, the powers that be have instigated and then refused and continue to refuse to redress crimes against humanity committed against AFRIKAN people.
For 517 years this has been so – since one Cristobal Colon (Christopher Columbus) first stumbled, lost, ignorant, and greedy, onto AYISIEN (Haitian) shores, and began slaughtering the Taino peoples and then spent the next 23 years aiding Portugal in the enslavement of AFRIKANS from AFRIKA’s western shores.
The resulting peoples’ rebellions and continuing revolutions in thought and action are speaking for themselves.
One is forcefully reminded of those chickens Malcolm X spoke of coming home to roost.
War Without Terms,
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Ummm maalaka…Your OWN people sold YOUR ancestors as slaves to the ships…Your “victim” of society B.S. has come to an end..we have a black president which i proudly voted for..stop playing the victim…that sh$t was 200 years ago..What has got your East Oakland thugland mentality in force is your own violence against yourselves…how many blacks were shot by cops compared to how many homicides in total??? what 128 black on black homicides in your hood. You need to stop youre NO SNITCH mentality and gets these monsters out of your life..This bastard raped a 12 YR. old black girl…Where is the outrage????? You were Oscar Grant three weeks ago destroying buisneses that had nothing to do with BART…where is the outrage??? you see… the real world looks at your self made hell and wonder why you exists like this. STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD!!! Lovelle was an absolute demonic monster…if that was your daughter/mother raped by this piece of East Oakland by-product..you might develop a conscience and start respecting life and start snitching….you deserve better.
BTW…its African…not Afrikan…use your spell check.
” But only dozens gathered to see what happened to Lovelle Mixon, who let his actions speak about what he thought of the racial profiling in our community. . . ”
I was born and raised in Oakland, and lived there for 28 years. I grew up in Sobrante Park, and subsequently moved to Sacramento in 1996. I honestly can not believe this article.
Lovell Mixon DID NOT open fire on the police because he was frustrated about being “racially profiled”, or because he couldn’t find a job. He shot the police because he was a lowlife coward who did not want to return to prison (where he should have been, anyway). There are a lot of problems within the poorer parts of the Black community, however, writing such a ludicrous and inflamatory article in a ham-fisted attempt to elevate Mixon to the level of a modern day “freedom fighter” is outrageous, and only serves to further alienate our most vulnerable communities. As a so-called “newspaper”, you really need to work on the integrity of your journalists. The reason that “only dozens gathered to see what happened to Lovell Mixon” is because that sociopath HAD AN AK-47!! Most people were probalby too terrified to even look out of their window.
Mixon was no hero, at least not to me. Perhaps when you kids are a little bit older, you’ll realize that, too.
Malaika,
Where does this “AFRIKAN” thing come from? It’s spelled AFRICAN, or in your case should be spelled AFRIKKKAN, because you’re just as ignorant and racist as those dumb hicks from the south were, but you think it’s alright to be racist if you’re black.
Mixon is not a hero, he’s a murderer and a rapist and he deserved to get shot.
YES, LOVELLE MIXON DUN B A HERO TO US IN DE COMMMUNEEETAY! HE REPRESENT WHAT WE’S ALL BOUT: KILL DE WHITEY CRACKAS! N IF HE SUPPOSEDLY DUN RAPE SOMEONE, YOU’S CAN B’ SURE SHE DUN ASK FO IT: WE’S GONNA GET IT ANYWAYS WE CAN!
KILL WHITEY! POWERS 2 DE PEEPILS!
I’ve been reading all of these comments about the Oakland Police Officers being shot. Most of the articles have been in support of the Officers and their families and for this I am very greatful. For those of you who oppose the support there are several factors you’re failing to observe.
1. The issue of Profiling: Most people complain of Racial Profiling and picking on individuals who fit a certain criteria. Cops in big cities don’t sit around all day looking for a certain type of individual to stop or “Harass” at is so blatantly put. Cops in big cities are just too busy, I know this for a fact.
The fact is that Cops look for subjects or individuals who draw attention to themselves. Everyone has that sixth sense that we all possess and used more keenly when we use to have to hunt for our food and fight off marauding tribes to survive. Officers develop a keen sense or sixth sense when it comes to seeking out individuals who just don’t seem to click right, not to mention probable cause. Hence the stop was made on a subject, “Mixon” who was a wanted individual on more than one occasion, validating my statement above regarding a sixth sense. Had Mixon not been in possession of a fictitious license, in violation of parole, in possession of a handgun, etc… He would have been released with a citation, at worst. “NOBODY WOULD HAVE HAD TO DIE.”
2. The issue of Oscar Grant: It was a sad thing that a handcuffed unarmed man had to die in the custody of police. This will set police and community relations back to the 60’s. I’m sure that Mehserle is regretting going to work that day and probably would change it all if he could. The sad thing is that he will not get convicted of Murder. This is sad because the community will react in an uproar and tear Oakland and every major city in the U.S. to shreds setting communities back to the Rodney King days and the Watts Riot days.
What people fail to realize in these cases is that in order to convict someone of Murder, you have to show that the suspect had the intent to kill the victim. In viewing the video of the incident, it is obvious that Mehserle did not have the intent. His reaction is evident. He looks up in disbelief, along with his fellow officers, looks down at Grant and looks up again with a shocked look on his face. A person with the intent to kill in cold blood does not appear shocked or in disbelief before, during, or after the incident.
People refer to Mehserle’s actions as “cold blooded.” The guy was scared and he screwed up big time. He should be tried because of his screw up but not for murder which is charged because of political. Maybe Manslaughter or Excessive Force Under Color of Authority. And for the record, Mesherle did not walk up to Grant after he shot him and put another round in the guy’s head to make sure he was dead like Mixon did.
3. The March for Justice or Money? If you notice that during the second protest, in support of Justice for Oscar Grant, there were not as many people who showed up for the protest. I speculate that the big turn off was the money issue. During the initial mention of the law suit the family was seeking 25 million in damages. The amount was then raised to 50 million. I would be willing to bet that the family found out that the attorney retained would be entitled to half of the settlement or more depending on costs.
The turn off was the “Money Issue.” This all of a sudden became about money. In Japan, a wrongful death suit is settled by the net worth of the individual who died and what he contributed to his family. The court then awards the family of the decedent what the decedent contributes monetarily to the family. This seems fair and equitable to me but based on Grant’s employment history, this would probably not be a significant amount. It just doesn’t seem like justice to prostitute the loss of a loved one because of money.
It’s very sad when anyone has to die, especially a tax paying civil servant. What’s even sadder is that people who are martyring Mixon, are going to set back the general sentiment that screwed up, already prejudiced people, have towards people of color; again, setting us back to a time of distrust and mutual hate between community and police.
I was corrected, Grant was not handcuffed. Sorry for the mis-information
Absolutely deplorable that this so called “pro-black” newspaper is run by a gaggle of ignorant porch monkeys. Fuck all you niggers; it’s open season on your recidivistic asses
I was born in and raised in East Oakland, and lived there for the first 28 of my 40 years. I was actually born at Highland Hospital, the hospital in which officer Hege died, and was raised very close to the neighborhood in which the shooting occurred. I have been following the news reports of the murder, and statements made by Mixon’s family.
The murders committed by Mixon were outrageous and disgusting, and it boggles my mind that a person with such a violent past could even be allowed to roam the streets. Regardless of the statements made by his family, in my opinion, he was a monster. Anyone capable of committing a rape, assault, and subsequently four murders in an effort to avoid arrest instead of facing the consequences of his own inept choices deserves the title of “Monster”.
However, I must say, some of the comments about Black people and the “black community” are ridiculous and juvenile, and I pray that they were written by a child. Contrary to the popular belief of some of the posters on this board, we “Blacks” are not one big monolithic group. I am a Black woman, and was raised in Sobrante Park (a neighborhood in the 105th Avenue/Edes Aveuen area). Although drugs and violence had permeated my old neighborhood, I have worked steadily since my teen years, went to college, am married, have a family, attend church, and work to make my now adopted community a better place. I have many friends in Oakland, and all live a very similar lifestyle to my own, and have “moved forward”. The “Black” community consists of all types of people, from criminals to white collar professionals, and Black police officers, a fact that you seem oblivious to. A few dozen people showed up to Mixon’s memorial (mostly to protest the police, not to honor him), and all of sudden they represent the Black community? How many Black people were at the memorial for the slain officer? How many black police officers are there in Oakland? And paramedics? And firefighters? And nurses? They are also a part of “our community”. A newspaper (that I’ve never heard of) writes an article about Mixon, and that represents the viewpoint of black people? What is the circulation of this “newspaper”? Is it greater than or less than the number of Blacks that read the Tribune or Chronicle? If you have a problem with The Bayview newspaper, then I suggest you write a letter to the editor instead. I have heard some ask the question “why aren’t they protesting like they did the BART shooting”? My question is “who is they”? The people who showed up to peacefully protest the BART shooting are probably at the police memorial and the looters and rioters are probably at Mixon’s memorial. Or maybe both groups are at home.
There are problems within the Black community, however, pathologies such as crime, illegitimacy, lack of education, the adoption of “thuglife” as a lifestyle, etc. are pretty much confined to those that live at the bottom of the economic latter, not the entirety of the Black community. If I have enough sense to distinguish between a white person who is poor, and uneducated, then I would assume that you would have enough sense to understand the concept of class levels. If you’d like to dscuss why there is more crime among the urban poor (which is were you find most poor blacks) versus crime amongst the rural poor (which is where you find most poor whites), then I’d certainly be open to that discussion.
I sincerely pray for the families of the four officers. These men were husbands and fathers and represented what is good and honorable in our country. Their lives and commitment to service should be celebrated. The citizens who offered assistance to the officers and the anonymous caller should be thanked for their deeds. Those who taunted the slain officers should crawl back under the rock from whence they slithered.
And Mr. Mixon should burn in hell. He was certainly no hero to me.
SUPPORT OAKLAND POLICE!!!
The Oakland PD is a criminal cesspool of thugs.
Euro-American media, especially the Gannett newspaper San Francisco Chronicle (and the New York Times), have been seeking answers as to why Lovelle Mixon, the Oakland resident who shot and killed four cops Saturday, would do such a terrible thing. Euro-American media coverage has mostly centered around Mixon being a “parolee,” him serving six years in prison, and now apparently being linked to a rape case in searching for a motive. They continue, writing that Mixon was a special education student who dropped out of school in 10th grade. Euro-American media have somehow gotten amnesia when it comes to the gross corruption and blatantly malicious treatment of Oakland residents by Oakland Police, which obviously was a contributing factor in Mixon killing the four cops.
The “Oakland Riders” – a group of police rogues who terrorized Oakland residents for at least three years earlier this decade – and the subsequent criminal probe, was covered extensively by that aforementioned SF Chronicle, but forgotten about now. Four Oakland Police thugs – Matthew Hornung, Clarence “Chuck” Mabanag, and Jude Siapno – all went on trial, on charges of assault with a deadly weapon, false imprisonment, conspiracy, and filing false police reports, in connection with their terrorizing of Oakland residents. All of them allegedly said they carried out their malicious acts with the blessing of former Oakland Police chief Richard Word.
Click here to read the rest:
http://blog.operation-nation.com/2009/03/24/oakland-pd-the-criminal-cesspool-of-thugs.aspx
P.S. to the wannabe slavemasters questioning the “Afrakan” or “Afrikan” spelling of who we are, its because that is how WE decide to identify ourselves. Euro-nomenclature like “blacks” and “Africa” are slave names that Europeans want us to use. No mas.
It is a SAD SAD day when people publish stories that not only decriminalize felons but make them into heroes. Lets presume half of the MURDERED police officers were black, would this pathetic piece have even been written? Because a man was accidentally killed on BART, some ignorant people want to claim its a race issue and then “praise” a crazy gunman murderer who would just as soon turned the gun on YOU or your CHILD HUSBAND or WIFE. Would it even matter if they were ALL black or ALL white? NO, and so it should not now. I would not use this story to start a campfire. Shame on you all who think that the MURDER of police officers is EVER a good thing. If you want to to talk racism talk racism, but DO NOT EVER claim racism as grounds for MURDER of anyone. The thoughts and ideas surrounding this whole story and that of BART are enough to make me sick. I am not a racist person nor do I propagate racism at all. I am a law abiding citizen that believes criminals should go to jail and if they get killed en route because of their own actions then its justifiable. Shooting to kill the police is NOT SELF FUCKING DEFENSE as I have heard throughout Oakland. Killing of police officers is NEVER justified and it is NOT self defense. Don’t break the fucking law and you won’t have to worry about getting killed, if you do kill, murder or rape, then you have it coming when they come for you. Lets stop with the racism and deal with the real issues at hand.
As an outsider, it still leaves me curious when I see people saying things like “slave names” etc. I’d like to meet a single person complaining about slavery in modern times that’s actually been a slave. You know what a slave from the old days would tell you? You have it good, shut the fuck up. It amazes me when people complain about slavery and reparations, etc., but turn a blind eye to slavery that actually exists today. You want to stick it to slavery? Stop complaining about a name and start donating to anti slavery foundations or actively participating to stop slavery that DOES EXIST TODAY. Stop whining.
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I am shocked by the base sickening racism in these comments.
When a black man kills white cops it is the whole of Oakland’s fault?!
But when a white cop executes a black man you ignorant morons don’t blame some white city. What is amazing to me is not that this killing happened, but if this is the attitude that African American people have to deal with, why it doesn’t happen more. You people are sick!
I have never in my life heard such sick racist crap.
Are you people all cops? I hope to never run into one of you people hired to “protect and to serve.” You are truly animals. Who are you? Do you have mothers?
I’m not a cop, and I’ll be shocked if it turns out Lovelle Mixon intended to make a political statement about racial profiling. Get real.
I’m not sure which is more disturbing, the lack of any real clear, substantive thought and rationale in the article or the racist, hateful comments that follow. Both, I feel, exemplify how many in our society are sadly misinformed, uneducated and lack a general sense of compassion. I agree with the posted comment that to even try and make Mr. Mixon a martyr is completey ignorant and without merit. This individual was a violent sociopath who preyed on a community and the people within it. Yes I think we can all agree there is room for a discussion on policing in the inner cities and the unfair treatment that many in those community endure, but to use this tragedy to try and legitimize Mr. Mixon’s action is deplorable and only further deepens the divide among socio-economic classes, black and white relations and the community at large.
As an African American male, I am saddened by the deaths of these police officers who were gunned down while doing a dangerous and often times thankless job. People like Mr. Mixon should not be allowed to roam the streets laying waste to an already fragile community and those in that community who praise him are through their praise part of the problem. I really feel for the many hard working people in East Oakland who are drawn into the stereotype and negative imagery that are fostered by Mr. Mixon and his supporters within the community as well as the uninformed generalists on the outside.
Let’s all become more aware, more responsible and more thoughtful on how our actions and behavior affects the society at large.
Let’s all put down the remote, turn off the talk shows, turn down the senseless music and take individual responsibilty and quit blaming others for our own failings.
I have no idea if he was making a political statement. It has been my belief from the beginning that he was not going back to prison for gun violations because he would be doing 25-life due to the Three Strikes law. If that is indeed the case, it is definitely a case of the chickens coming home to roost.
When Mesherle executed Oscar Grant, I didn’t see the pages of the media filling up with anti-white rhetoric. These comments show the real situation with white racism in the 21st century. Every time someone says we now live in a color blind society I will think of these comments, and I believe most of them are made by cops.
They’re animals anyway so let them lose their soul.
“To all the Three Strikes supporters, police sympathizers and prison industry businessmen, how does it feel when the rabbit has the gun? Welcome to East Oakland.”
This statement to me sums up the entire argument here. VERY powerful statement!!
All of these hateful comments make me so, so sad. Heroes don’t gun down cops and they don’t belittle people who are different from them.
Shame on all of you who think you have the answers. Things are never so easily explained. How can you claim to understand a community in which you do not participate and clearly have spent no time getting to know?
Furthermore, your racist finger pointing is useless.
This tragedy is all of ours. The problems in East Oakland are ALL of ours.
J.R I luv your articles but I have to say you missed the marked on this one sweetie. I came str8 here to c if da bayview covered this the first few & it didn’t. I exhaled & prayed to God that u wouldn’t and wud jus leave these folks be till we got the whole story. It’s only logical. Don’t get me wrong, I suspected racial profiling, etc to, but few youngsters looked at me like I was retarded & said that cat was doing to much. They explained that he should of jus said he didnt have his ID on him & taking the car to his sisters few more blks. They may have jus gav him his ticket & let him be on his way. Secondly he shouldn’t have been talking on his cell but most of all only a zip dahm fool would have done that much time than come out & miss seeing his po right from the jump. That verified he had no intentions on doing the right thing, feel me? I was surprised how sharp these youngsters were pointing all that out to me. I than remembered my nephew & my son’s friend drive on 24s. The police haven’t stopped them, yet. Matter of fact a few kids I know was stopped & popo jus took their guns away & told them to get outta here, other went to jail. I guess from dealing w/ so many youngsters OPD basically can tell the bad actors from ones that jus need the hell scared out of them. In other words JR, like a few rades in Pelican Bay told me, not all cops are bad cops. Now these rogue racist cops may think a man’s intelligence can be judged by his clothes, the color of his skin, etc. But that jus shows how ignorant they are. If someone is apparently that dahm IGNORANT why in God’s name would you, we want to bend to their level? It doesn’t make sense to judge a person’s character by the clothes or uniform he wears. Judge him by what he consist of. Never allow their mistakes to become yours. Always be the bigger person. That tit for tat shyt wasn’t Mixon intentions as much as some would like to believe it was. He was to self serving, why would any loving brother kill 2 cops than run str8 for his sister’s home? Also some of OPD is homegrown these days, unlike back in da days. Many of us have fam bam in the dept. Things have changed, so ppl that keep the cycle going & refuse to CATCH UP, leaves the struggle & deaths of everyone b4 us, in vain. Mixon would have killed another brother w/ that gun, or used it to rape another little sister.
I just want to point out that the rape stories circulating in corporate media about Mixon are ALLEGATIONS made by the OPD and have not been substantiated or corroborated.
Talking about Mixon as if he is a convicted rapist is wrong and irresponsible.
I am white,..And I DO have a Very negative attitude towards “NEGROS”,..My negative attitudes stem from certain things that I have observed pertaining to “NEGRO”, attitudes,..Speciffically,…{1} When in the service,..a very large, & powerfully built “NEGRO”, beat a much smaller whit guy’s face to a bloody pulp,..The reaction of the “NEGROS” was to gather around the beater,..saying,..”We got to all stick together,..” {2} A, “NEGRO”, jury would not convict, O.J. Simpson, although he was , clearly guity,..of a double MURDER,..indeed, as he was riding on th freeway, the overpasses were filled with mobs of “Negros”, chanting “GO O.J. GO”, & }3} Now we have this sorry spectical, of “MUCH”, of the “NEGRO”, community, viewing Lovelle Mixon as some sort of sort of combination of a martyr & freedom fighter,..when in fact, he was just a worthless, two bit NIGGER thug,..So IF the NEGRO community, ever gets it’s collective head on straight,.& quits wallowing in it’s thumb sucking, self pittying tribalism, then I will “reconsider”, my negative opinions about “NEGROS”,..& while I am on the subject,..What kind of “community is it that calls it’s women ,..”Hoes”,.?
“Brown Girl from East Los”: I don’t know about other courts in Alameda county but the d.a’s office told me that Oakland’s courts ban the 3 strikes for only rare extreme cases. Possession of a firearm would not have striked him out. It would have been tossed & he would have just did his violation. No one knows what went thru Mixon’s mind or even if he was in the right state of mind. It’s no ones call to make but God. There is this to consider tho, sometimes he allows bad things to happen to bring forth his righteousness And sometimes he uses the good or the wicked as his tools. Like the CIA, I don’t believe in coincidences. Things happen for a reason.
“1968″: Rape allegations were made by SFPD which the media dug into & put it out there. And I caught myself just as I hit ’submit comment’. From experience, I blame the media for twisting shyt around. Don’t EVER trust KTVU ch 2. AS for “Rue Angel”, you’re the type of demonic homo sapien I don’t want JR or anybody else to behave as w/ this situation. We don’t have to. Everything that took place speaks for itself. Furthermore, labeling Mixon a martyr wasn’t what he said. His point was clearly stated in his LAST sentence. JR, Obama supposedly already contacted the mayor.
WOW! the sheer aloofness and “we’re better humans than you” attitude by the Euro-American posters in here is just astonishing and funny all at the same time. As you have no respect for the “black community” for “calling women hoes” and not succumbing to thug police, I have a problem with the Euro-American community (especially men) having sex with 8-year-old boys. Many of the preachers in your churches are having sex daily with young boys. Like I always say, you may not want to trust a “black” man with your wallet, but definitely don’t trust a “white” man with your 8-year-old son. Euro-Americans also need to address the tweekers in their community. Meth is like alcohol to Euro-Americans nowadays and maybe that is the reason for some of these comments in here and the reason for some of these thug cops’ behavior. I realize many Euro-Americans are feeling a little power deprived because of the economy and because our president is Kenyan, and the fact that the internet has cut into the Euro-American media monopoly in our country, now ALL views are heard on ALL subjects. Euro-American male confidence has always come from being able to legally “own,” legally murder, and be better educated than “blacks.” ALL of this is going away and subsequently, Euro-American males can’t handle it (just as they started brutalizing women more after the 19th amendment was passed). I know you’d rather me and everyone else just say “yes sir” to all the venom you spew and bend over and allow anything to be inserted, but those days have long been over. Either you come out of your hallucinogenic bubble and realize the world does not revolve you, or these divides will always be here. A russian professor predicted the USA will go to Civil War by 2010 and break up into 6 countries. Judging from all this Euro-American crying, and Afrakan Americans not putting up with the joke called the U.S. justice system and radical police, maybe he is correct? Love MY country…the USA.
http://blog.operation-nation.com/2009/03/24/oakland-pd-the-criminal-cesspool-of-thugs.aspx
http://blog.operation-nation.com/2009/03/11/chuck-norris-russian-professor-have-similar-ideas-about-us-collapse.aspx
what the hell is a “euro american” and reguarding the priest thing, are you kidding me? Just like with this article, the black community and white community arent represented by the radical imbecils who get on the news. And to say that “euro americans” just propogates stereotypes like saying all blacks are cop killer drug dealers. It’s just wrong and ignorant.
I am honestly curious though, what the hell is a “euro american”?
THE STORIES OF RAPE AGAINST MIXON ARE ALLEGATIONS. THERE HAS BEEN NO TRIAL, NO CONVICTIONS.
Jorge – not too smart. Don’t you know that IP addresses can be traced? Don’t you know that making threats on the internet is now considered “terrorism”?
But I guess you cops don’t care about all that….you’ve shown right here on this newspaper website that you are lawless criminals, I would say the worst of the worst. My high school aged niece and her friends read these comments and one of them was crying because she was so shocked that police could act this way. Yes, she probably comes from a sheltered environment, but still, it was an eye opener for a teenager to see cops use this type of racism and threats.
Of course, when you are used to murdering with impunity, all that means little to you.
I hope the webmaster finds that you are using a work computer to make threats, so you can be dealt with directly by your supervisors, if there are any supervisors.
Euro-American = European American….as in U.S. vernacular, Afro-American = African American; an abbreviation. “white” and “black” are denotatively wrong for Europeans and Africans respectively, as “white” means everything good in the English language (white lies) and “black” means everything bad in the English language (black market, black plague). Though I know Euro-Americans get upset by being grouped all in ONE classification (as AFRICAN Americans are), this is just how it is.
And THANK YOU for pointing out that the “black and white” communities are not represented by the U.S. media monopoly, which about 8 companies own 80 percent of everything we read, watch, and listen to. Your rationality is appreciated, even when we don’t completely agree on everything.
My last comment (at 1052 am) is addressed to “white guy.” and I’m glad someone (“1968″) pointed out all these alleged rape allegations are just that…ALLEGATIONS. no convictions. But in the Euro-American media’s quest to demonize Mixon, they’ve taken that and ran with it.
I’m just glad someone is RESPONDING to posts instead of spewing anti-whatever crap. I agree with many posters that the media is demonizing this guy, but I don’t think he should get off easy and be allowed to take the alibi of being a “product of the system”. There are too many minorities that have risen above the bar and made someting of themselves despite oppression.
That’s not saying that oppression is justified or right in any way, shape or form, only that violence is NOT the right answer no matter what. MLK is looked on by all races as a hero because of the way he rose above the discrimination and oppression by PROVING he was the better man and not reacting the way stereotypes would want him to. To let Mixon off the hook and say that it’s society’s oppression that caused him to do it is a nice cop out for those who don’t want to take the time to differentiate between the slag of black society and the average black.
It’s important to note that I grew up in mississippi, and believe me, racism is still around. Funny thing is though, it’s the stereotypes that racism is based on. I actually asked one of my black friends (who found it condecending to call blacks african americans I might add, because he considers himself as american and nothing else) about what he thought about the word “nigger” and this is the explanation he gave me, paraphrased:
“niggers are the blacks who adhere to the stereotypes, much like white people have rednecks or hillbilly’s.” he went on to say that he himself despised the underbelly of blacks because by adhering to the stereotype only proves that it exists, which in turn allows racism on the basis of stereotypes to exist.”
Growing up in mississippi I can see where some gather the stereotypes from. I lived quite close to a bad area of town that was mainly blacks, and it only reinforced the stereotype, however it’s ignorant to assume that because a stereotype exists that all blacks are that way. Just because a stereotype has a foundation in truth, i.e. yes, rednecks do exist, doesnt mean that the whole society should be judged for that small percentage. We could hardly say that all europeans are war mongers just because Hitler was a european, now could we?
I don’t know why Mixon killed cops, and I don’t know if the cops instigated it. I don’t think anyone will know but the dead cops and Mixon. I don’t think that either should get off lightly for any reason. If the cops didn’t instigate it, and Mixon was to blame, then he should be punished accordingly. If the cops instigated the incident, then Mixon would be within his rights to defend himself against injustice. It all stems around the crux of who got out of hand first, the cops or Mixon.
Until I see some evidence either way, I think the comments saying either party was right or wrong are ridiculous. My assumptions so far from reading up on it suggest that Mixon over-reacted when the police tried to apprehend him because he didn’t want to go to jail, which would put him in the wrong, but I’ll wait until the trial comes out to hear his testimony and the cops to make my decision.
White guy:
First of all, Mixon is dead, so there will be no trial. He’s being tried in Euro-American media posthumously, which tells you all you need to know about the SF Chronicle.
I disagree that MLK is a hero to all. He’s certainly no hero of mine and I actually made a video about it last MLK day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5A0elHr_BY (part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDoHmOtO9j4&feature=related (part 2)
The fact that you are a European American from the Confederacy (Mississippi), and you don’t seem irrationally hateful, especially when confronting a sensitive subject like Mixon and the Oakland police, goes a long way in US dropping all the prefixes from our “names” (Euro, Afro, etc.) and just all being AMERICANS, understanding one another, being one nationality. But we are FAR from that, and that is our sad reality.
We agree on one thing: Mixon was no angel and probably not even a decent person. I think if you read up on the history of the Oakland PD (start with the blog entry I wrote), you’ll at least get a sense as to why many in the “black” community show zero remorse for the cops.
But the SF Chronicle and Gannett ought to be ashamed of themselves for convicting Mixon of rape without a trial. Disgraceful journalism.
What I don’t understand is the African Americans who become extremely agitated when there is a police shooting while there are 100X more black on black crimes that result in death? As an African American man, I find it much more disturbing when I pick up the paper and every other day I read where black young men are killing one another whether its in Oakland, San Francisco, EPA or Richmond. In this instance, I find it hard to have a lot of sympathy for a parolee who is allegedly raping women in his own community who jumps out of a car and shoots police officers for pulling him over just because he doesn’t want to go back to prison which he probably shouldn’t have ever been let out of in the first place.
I am more concerned with getting shot from my own people than from the police. As a resident who lives in Oakland, I fully support the police and I hope they rid Oakland of all the criminal element that terrorizes the communities and make it hard for the honest hard working people to live in peace. The young black kids who choose to select Mixon as a hero should really take a long look in the mirror and wonder what they’re doing to make the greater society suspicious of them. For example: I was at a laundrymat standing outside and this young black teenager walked towards me. His pants were almost to his knees, hood over his head and he says to me. “Whassup MF playah?” I’m thinking to myself, “I’m a 45 year old man, I’m not your playah, when I was your age there’s no way I would address a grown man that way.” At any rate, I’m cautiously trying to figure out what he wants since he keeps looking over his shoulder and then a police car drives by and the white officer looks our way and does a double take. He makes a U-turn drives up and asks me if everything is okay…which I am thankful mind you not knowing what this kid wants. When the officer leaves the kid, flips him off and says, “the MF police are always trying to sweat us.” I finally, tell him that “he wasn’t sweating you, he was trying to figure out what you were up to the way you’re acting and dressed the way you are I don’t blame him I felt the same way when you walked up.” Then the young man then calls me a sell out and leaves in a huff and I think to myself that MLK, Malcolm X and other Civil Rights leaders are probably rolling over in their graves thinking about all the work and sacrifice that they did to achieve a better life for black folks and this is the way a large percentage of our young people are chosing to behave…..what a shame……
Just wanted to point out the author made a factual mistake.
The article says Mehserle’s bail was set at $300,000.
Big mistake. It was set at $3 million.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Johannes+Mehserle+bail&btnG=Search
Mabel: Yes, it a $3,000,000 bond…of which the defendant must pay 10 percent of (or $300,000) to be released, while a bondsman pays the rest. So no, its not a “big mistake” as you imply.
This article and website brings shame to black people everywhere, and reinforces the view that the vast majority of black people are ignorant
And now it turns out your hero is the rapist of a 12 year old girl. Good job chief.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/MNPP16M2CH.DTL
There have been a number of other murders in Oakland so far this year. I’m sure that some of them have been young black men. Should I worry or mourn those, or do we just care about the ones that white cops shoot?
Any life cut short should be mourned, but if you are too stupid to know the difference between a murder committed by police officer -after the police officer has been sworn to protect us and uphold the law– and a murder by a street criminal, then you really need to do some reading.
Because a citizen is somehow less responsible for protecting and upholding the law? That’s just flawed logic. Not to diminish the oath that all officers take, but all citizens have that same responsibility, including the criminals. The only reason that the justice system exists is so that CITIZENS who make mistakes or do something wrong can REMAIN citizens and pay their debt to society, i.e. those who’ve been wronged. I’m not saying our justice system currently works well enought to affect that, but that’s not an excuse for criminals.
I’m not going to go into social contract theory, but if you think that cops are the only ones who should be protecting and upholding the law, then you should get the hell out of america, because you’re a piece of trash.
Yeah, I’ll leave America because you say I should. Ha! officers of the law are and should be held to a higher standard…that is what “under color of law” means.
Spare me your social contract theory. I took sociology 101 too.
I didn’t say to leave America because I said so, I said leave america if you don’t think citizens shouldn’t have to uphold the law as well. Just the way you think tells me you’re a democrat who’s in favor of big government taking care of all of their worries. No offense to democrats, I’m sure you all are just as ashamed to have her as I am to think that she’s an american.
Get your head on straight before you start typing and maybe this conversation will actually go somewhere, but until then, stop spouting useless crap. cops shouldn’t be held to a higher standard than anyone else, that’s exactly how racism got started. saying that one type of people should be held to a lower standard than others.
That’s how racism got started? By thinking that officers are and should be held to a higher standard? Wow, you are really nuts dude. This conversation is going nowhere because you are obviously a moron. Sorry, but it’s true.
That’s not what I said you idiot, so stop twisting my words around just so you can defend your argument. Racism was started by thinking that one set of people should be held to a lower standard than others. You, by saying police should be held to a higher standard, are placing everyone else lower than them. People who sold others into slavery placed less value on those they sold than those they didnt. In an argument, you back up what you say with facts or logic. You still havent done this.
I’m waiting for a logical well thought out reason for your opinions.
Yes, police ARE held to a higher standard. They are bequethed an unbelievable amount of power with very little education and training (generally 3-4 months in an academy)and only those men and women who can uphold the principles of “protect and serve” should be police officers. Teachers, who are VASTLY underpaid, are also held to a higher standard because they raise our children; just like police protect our children. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a cop because I wanted to be a hero; wanted to be a crime fighter; wanted to protect, serve, and be loved by those I serve. Too many cops nowadays are power-drunken, insecure idiots who could care less about the community they serve. Personal responsibility by American citizens is VERY important and vastly neglected by too many Americans, but regular citizens’ “personal responsibility” doesn’t mandate them to “protect and serve” as it does police.
HATS OFF to Chief David Kunkle, of the Dallas (TX) Police Department, for holding his officers accountable for stupidity.
And I WOULD wait for you to give me a logical thought, but that will not happen, so I won’t wait.
By your so-called “logic” if my car is stalled at 3 a.m. I should not trust a cop any more than some wino standing on the corner because the cop should not be held to a higher standard. This is so absolutely basic that I can’t see how to even talk to someone who doesn’t get it. I hope you are either very young or off your meds for the moment.
Good point about teachers Operationnation.
Wait, so if cops are held by a higher standard, then what standard am I held to? Between me and a cop, let’s say we’re both tempted to run a red light. Is it okay for me to run it, but not okay for him, because he’s a cop and I’m not? No, we’re both held to the same standard, i.e. stealing is wrong, so we shouldnt do it. If you don’t hold everyone to the same standard, you’re lowering the bar, at least if your standard is 100%. And brown girl, before you say 100% is impossible, shut the hell up. Doing what’s right is the standard for us all, and anything less than that is …wrong!… shocking, I know.
I’m talking about the law, dumbass
so am I, dumbass. Obey the law…or you’re breaking the law…its a pretty easy standard to understand, and it’s pretty damn easy to adhere to. and FYI, running a red light IS against the law in case you couldn’t figure it out.
And if you run red lights repeatedly you will get tickets and your insurance will go up and you may lose your license, but if a cop runs red lights repeatedly he will lose his job…at least that is the way the law works in theory if not in practice.
I am not black, nor am I American. I am shocked though. You racist people with your one-sided attitudes need some serious help. This man did not act the way he did because of the color of his skin, he acted the way he did because thats what he wanted to do!
I’m sorry for al the families concerned. Everyone has a mother and I hope and pray that none of the victims mother’s in this incident has the misfortune to read this trash talk.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves!!!
and all this time I thought it was ok to run a red light! Thanks for enlightening me oh brilliant one.
oh, and because I don’t want to avoid what you said, that would be stupid to trust a habitual drunk who’s proven he cant hold a job over a cop. that’s trying to compare apples to oranges because they’re both round.
Y’all are Peckerwood retards.
How d’ya like them apples?
I find your logic hard to refute…
…“The Game of Death that put the stats for ‘09 at Police 2, Oakland residents 4”…. Only one who is not truly familiar with death and violence, or a grandstanding fool would call death a “game” when committed at the hands of another. Come walk a few miles in my boots, work a few weeks in my job, and see how funny death is “Minister of Information JR.”
Allow me to give the disclaimer right now, yes I am a cop.. No, I’m not African (Afrikan for those overly involved in labels)-American..
I’ve looked into the eyes of, and been there for the last breath of more “minority” citizens than some emergency room doctors. It’s sad, it sucks, and it’s not something to make light of in a headline. So, fuck you for making death your cheap joke of a byline. This entire incident was a holocaust on many fronts.
The fact of the matter is, the thankfully deceased Mr. Mixon is no longer. However his life came to be, he was a predator. The rape allegation is just that. Putting that aside, he was a parolee at large, with a gun, ultimately at least two by the time of his blessed demise. Don’t cloak yourself in racist revolutionary b.s. thinking he who was willing to take on a police officer, wouldn’t rob from you, steal from your home, maim or kill you in an instant. I am saddened for the four deceased officers; not because they are white, but because they were my brothers. I am also saddened for the family of Mr. Mixon. Whatever they did or did not do to help him, to enable his path to destruction, he was an adult, and accountable to himself for where his life took him. His family now bears the brunt of the media attention, hatred from the law enforcement community. And, o yea, they lost a son/brother/cousin/loved one. They, and survivors of the dead officers, are the victims in this tragic series of events. Your trumpeting their suffering to further your own agenda is repulsive.
Whatever banner you want to fly, if you’re here spouting off that anyone’s a nigger, negro, cracker, honkey, or some other racial epithet, you’re showing you’re as mature and understanding as those you condemn. So, F you, get off of my planet. Since I’m a lighter shade of pale, no, I’m not a klan member or member of any other white-trash gaggle. I have blue eyes, a shaved head, and work in a area of my jurisdiction where I am the “minority.” The few & far between times I run into a white person it repulses me when they attempt to establish rapport by talking about niggers, fried chicken and nappy hair, etc. Especially since those white folks tend to live in a trailer with their mom, are missing teeth, have a 15 year old pregnant girlfriend by their side, and couldn’t find a job application if it was sewn to their ass. I have contempt for people. Not because of their skin color, but if they are a non-contributing, leech on society? One who profits by the suffering of others? Then, yes, they don’t belong among us who retain our humanity, are not sociopaths, and do the best we can day by day.
I can’t claim I was raised in Oakland. Suffice to say, it’s a more violent version of where I work now. I will concede, once in a too frequent while, there are dirty cops, who pull atrocious bullshit. They have a place, it’s called Federal Prison. The odds the four dead cops, from separate details (motors and SWAT), were part of some great conspiracy to oppress minorities? Pretty frikkin slim. Odds they were four cops, doing their job the best they knew how, willing to die if it came to it? Pretty frikkin good. If and when some peaceful memorial for Mr. Mixon erupts into rioting, arson, looting, and violence, it will be those same racist-occupying-army cops you screech for the help of, should that day come. Everybody hates the cops, until they need one.
This is a poor article, there are some very disgraceful comments on this page from both “sides”. In my opinion, the officer who shot Oscar Grant needs to be tried for murder. However there is no excuse for shooting 4 officers who were just trying to enforce the law and had nothing to do with the Grant murder. If the African-American communities hate the police so much than one of 2 things should happen:
1. Join the ranks and infiltrate the department to lesson the racial discrimination.
2. Or, deal with the police (corrupt and law-abiding). Imagine if the police didn’t come to your neighborhood at all. Would you be safer?
Malaika H. Kambon, well said and great post
EXCELLENT COMMENTARY, JR.
I’ve got a little commentary here myself: let’s call it:
KARMIC JUSTICE.
Most people of color know that the cops, and the police department as an institution, *historically* represent the street enforcement arm of white American racism. Indeed, they were born out of the white slave patrols.
People of color and conscious white people have seen how the cops have abused, especially, many members of the Black and Brown community — just the latest in a longgg series of notorious cases in the Bay Area and all over the country being Oscar Grant — and sometimes (which doesn’t get as much notice) even members of the Asian community, and now (even just recently in San Francisco) peaceful protesters and members of the Arab community (specifically women and children). And just recently, in Oakland, 11 cops were fired for falsifying a whole series of search warrants, and the head of OPD Internal Affairs was put on leave, pending the investigation of his having beaten, in his custody, a Black suspect to death years ago. How soon we forget the Oakland Riders case, and the damage control performed there to politically limit the corruption investigation and exposure to those corrupt street cops, but not the department in whose culture and corruption they were spawned). I’ve heard that Oakland alone pays out (at least averaged over time) about 2 million dollars a year in police brutality cases.
U.S. Flags were flown at half-mast for these dead cops — tried, sentenced and executed in the streets just like they do with people of color — but no flags were flown at half-mast over city hall by the Black mayor of Oakland for Oscar Grant. Ron Dellums took a week to say anything about Grant, and then only spoked in carefully indirect and tepid terms, but he, of course, personally and vociferously condemned the killings of the cops right away. So, much for some of those docilized middle-class negroes (male and female above the intersection of race and class) who condemn the cop deaths (on TV, radio, even one Black female on Hard Knock Radio) by saying that “all life is equal”. Since when, right from its founding and upon who’s lives it was established (Red, Black, Yellow and Brown), has all life ever “been equal” in the history AmeriKKKa?
At least a couple of the TV local news stations have shown a servile Rev. Philip Ellinberg, some neegro (probably what we Blacks call “a jackleg / bootleg preacher”, since I tried to look him up online, and in the phone book, and with telephone directory assistance, and found nothing) who’s supposed to sing for Massa at the dead cops funeral, but he didn’t sing at Oscar Grant’s funeral and I haven’t seen him anywhere at the Oscar Grant Movement meetings almost every week in Oakland.
Where were the flags at half-mast and the state and mass media coverage funeral for Oscar Grant and other unarmed, innocent victims of killer cops vigilantism? All the Bay Area cities have to do is to look at the names on the boards of the Stolen Lives project and portable mural. Do you think that any of the Bay Area cities would even just fly their flags at half-mast just one day, collectively for all of those victims of the *police*.
And we forget (or don’t know) that one of the cops who was wounded and should have been killed was Sgt. Pat Gonzales, who shot a Black Gary King Jr. in the back and killed him. Cops up in (or north of) Napa/Sonoma valley even went and gratuitously killed the Black adopted son of an affluent white married couple who made the mistake of calling the cops to help calm down their emotionally distraught son.
You know the old saying, “When The White Man is hurt *evvveryone* must cry.” But LOTS of people AREN’T CRYING over 4 killed cops — including even a lot of politically conscious white people — and AREN’T MOURNING in this state mass propaganda funeral. While the cops and the media even come up with suspiciously last-minute stories to try to tell us just “how bad” Lovelle Mixon was (how about research into those dead cops background to see how abusive and dirty they were?), many of us realize that _IT’S KARMIC JUSTICE_ *whoever* killed the 4 cops all in an afternoon’s work. And it’s KARMIC JUSTICE that, just as many Blacks in America have been murdered by cops during a “routine” traffic stop, these cops were killed during a “routine” traffic stop. Ha-Ha.
The cops called Lovelle Mixon, “A cold-hearted individual who doesn’t have any regard for human life.” Well, the cops should know: they behave exactly the same way.
Cops 2; Oakland residents 4.
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Joseph Anderson
Berkeley, California
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To hear the audio version of JR’s commentary,
please go to KPFA’s Flashpoints, March 25, 2009
http://kpfa.org/archive/id/49472 ,
and go to 35:35-40:80 into the program.
It struck me while reading the comments submitted above on the killing of the four police officers that those who “support” the shooter believe violence can solve social problems.
This is the thinking that motivated the Klan to commit their numerous lynchings. Did the Klan solve the “Negro Problem”? No, but they certainly gave it their best effort.
And what stopped the Klan? Killing them in revenge? No. The slow pace of social change and the very effective legal work of Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Giving ideological cover to a murderer isn’t even a shadow of a solution to the obvious problems in Oakland.
Joseph Anderson – your commentary is excellent. Thank you.
To StrongBlackFemale and others; I, too, would like to have a discussion about the differences in crime rates between Black poor and White poor. Most white poor are now in cities and suburbs, and I think the difference has to do with family social structure.
As the White illegitimacy rate rises, we are starting to see more poor White violent criminality.
I also think that we need to all sit down and talk about media imagery, including the entertainment industry. When I watch TV, except for shows like “Everybody Hates Chris”, “Tyler Perry’s House of Payne”, and rerun of the late Bernie Mac’s show, there just isn’t much on TV in the way of respectable Black families.
We also need to talk about education. I’m related to people who were born rural poor. My uncle went to a high school that taught trades and became a machinist and later operated his own machine shop and auto repair. His sons also studied trades in high school: one became a machinist and later foreman at Dakota Aircraft; the other became an award winning industrial arts teacher. My own father was so malnourished and sickly as a child he was found 4-F for WWII – he worked his way through university in the fishing fleet on trollers, as a hotel night auditor, as a watchman, and worked at anything he could get.
Vocational education has disappeared from the high school curriculum because it had been used as a dumping ground. This is no reason not to bring it back. Auto shop, systems administration, secretarial science, bookkeeping, beautician and barber training, cabinet making, LVN, EKG technician, web designer – all of these are career programs that should be available to students while they are in high school. In my sophomore year, our high school valedictorian was also the President of our FFA chapter. He took both college preparatory studies and four years of vocational agriculture. He went to Oregon State University and later became head forester for a timber growing concern. My best friend studied office administration and graduated and immediately found a very good secretarial position; she used the money her excellent skill set earned to go on to University where she eventually received her M.P.H. and became the manager of a medical practice. There are many students who aren’t interested in college or know that they cannot afford to attend college right after high school; our schools are failing to provide them with the tools to live a decent life.
BTW, what stopped the Klan was in large part fighting back against them – if you were going to live to give a deposition to Morris Dees and have your day in court, you had to be prepared to defend yourself. I should know; my father’s family had to fight a shooting war against the KKK in Eastern Colorado in the late 1910s – early 1920s. That said, the Klan behaved just like a street gang – no snitching, no witnesses to atrocities, and on and on and on.
It’s about identifying the problem and finding a solution. If you’re not part of the solution then maybe you’re part of the problem. Opinions don’t equal facts. For those who don’t “live it” just can’t understand. The “system” is not designed for all, many cases to prove it. By the way, don’t ever let someone make you believe your history isn’t important. Much Love and Respect.
Clark & JoAnne thought it would be cool to add the “k”…Afrikan!
It must be tough to explain how a NJ Trooper shot himself in the head TWICE with his own weapon…if it wasn’t for those pesky facts that seem to always get in the way of the good “Dr.”m.
Clark rots in jail and JoAnne rots in Cuba…fitting.
The 12 year old girl’s rape was NEVER reported to her school principal. the school officials never knew there was a rapist loose in the community until it came out in the paper yesterday.
The police do not care about little black girls who get raped.
we need to control all the information regarding the harm happening in our communities.
Lovelle Mixon may not have been much of a hero, but I can’t help but sympathize with his decision not to submit to the brutal “justice” system, especially having already sampled its tender mercies. I said “sympathize,” not “admire.” Mohandas Gandhi also refused to submit to the occupier, but not by making matters worse. However, that’s an awfully high standard to expect of Mixon, and we shouldn’t.
By the way, it’s a high standard to expect of cops, too, although in their case I think we should expect it, because they’re supposed to be selected and trained that way. Of course, we’re all more realistic than that (some more than others). The unfortunate reality is that when white male corporate executives – living in in an exclusive club where the rest of us pay the membership dues – call the shots and send our kids off to die in their wars, the cops are going to reflect their values, not ours.
The cops are no better than the society in which we live, and probably not much worse, either, which is a sad commentary, indeed. The posts on JR’s article are also full of the racism that infect our society and serve the purpose of our oppressors.
Lovelle Mixon was our brother and so were the cops who died at his hands. They are also all criminals and so are we. So what are we going to do about it? Treat each other as criminals or as brothers and sisters? On the last census I listed my race as Antarctican. You have to go a long way back, but around 200 million years ago, the penguins and I are part of the same family.
Brown Girl (from East Los, on March 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm): “Joseph Anderson – your commentary is excellent. Thank you.”
Thank you *very much* for the feedback and the props! I didn’t realize it was *that good*! Your compliments have encouraged me to polish it up a bit and submit it to my local city newspaper in Berkeley and a few online Black journals.
I also added here in a very slightly edited version (at http://www.daveyd.com — http://hiphopnews.yuku.com/topic/1111?page=1):
“Ron Dellums took a week to say anything about Grant, and then only spoked in carefully indirect and tepid terms, and only after finally being confronted by the people in front of city hall. (SEE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZa2Vioae0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUC_ZVbI4sM.)”
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The_Yakima_KId: “BTW, what stopped the Klan was in large part fighting back against them…”
EXACTLY (Thank you very much Yakima Kid!):
Too many white people always only want people of color to resist *nonviolently*; but white people always reserve the right to armed resistance.
Go read — Dan Silverberg [you know *he* lives a comfortable, pleasant, probably university educated, 'yuppie' life], on March 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm — the book “Negroes with Guns” and “The Deacons for Defense: Armed Resistance and the Civil Rights Movement”. They pointed out that peacefully singing “Kumbaya” or “We Shall Overcome” wasn’t going to work against the armed Klan rampaging through isolated Black communities with firebombs and even dynamite, especially in the rural South.
The Klan was the one terrorist gang — besides the police, and sometimes they literally overlapped or were one and the same — that was historically allowed to roam free in AmeriKKKa to attacked Black and Brown people: that’s the one “privilege” that even poor whites had over Black people of any income. But, you know what?: the Klan (outside of those who were cops) didn’t run up in *urban* Black neighborhoods, because the Klan *knew* what would happen to them — and it wasn’t going to be any Black person singing “Kumbaya” or “We Shall Overcome”.
Also, Morris Dees is WHITE and a MILLIONIARE: he *ought* to be able to win cases in court. Try being Black and poor and taking your case to court with a white judge and an all-white jury.
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The_Yakima_KId: “There are many students who aren’t interested in college…”
Especially when they have come from primary & secondary schools that they know have been greatly discriminated against in funding, facilities and personnel resources, have ill-prepared them to go on to college, *AND* have taught them only white-supremacy in literature, history, the arts, science, math, etc. — have basically taught them to hate themselves, and taught them that people of color have not contributed much, if anything, in and to these disciplines.
And look at all the racist hell “Chris” (of “Everybody Hates Chris) got (based on his own true story) when he working-class parents scraped to send him to a virtually all-white private parochial school. I can tell you first-hand that this was, more or less, a common experience among Blacks who went to any kind of predominantly/overhwhelmingly white private school.
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(I must confess that I’m not familiar with House of Payne, but I’ll check it out sometime.)
And, personally, The Bernie Mac Show was the only sitcom I really enjoyed watching (and still often watch the reruns) because it was, for the most part, *culturally authentic*; the writers treat the characters, especially the adults, with dignity; it’s not classist and elitist, like the original Cosby show (in Bernie’s house you actually see working-class Blacks also visit and even stay over); and it’s FUNNY — without making the Black characters look like watered-down minstrels/buffoons. It’s probably because, unlike most Black sitcoms which are actually written and controlled by *whites* writers/producers, Bernie Mac had (at least primary) creative control over the show.
(Remember how Chuck D of Public Enemy called the WB network “the We Buffoons network”, and the UPN network “the United Plantation of Negroes network”?)
HERE’S THE VERY LATEST NEWS (as of this writing) IN HOW COPS BEHAVE AGAINST BLACK MEN:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#29921738
NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams
Friday, March 27, 2009
“Police chief expresses regret over traffic stop gone wrong”
A traffic stop that detained NFL player Ryan Moats of the Houston Texans in a hospital parking lot that, despite his pleas that his mother-in-law was imminently dying, has touched off a firestorn in Texas.
NBC’s Pete Williams reports.
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The Black guy was lucky he wasn’t shot and killed trying to rush into the hospital.
Had it been a white man, the cop would have been like, “Oh you just go ahead, Mr. Throckmorton!! Here, let me get the door for you! Jeesh, I hope you make it in time! Everyone get out the way!! His mother-in-law is dying!!”
Pathetic. Mixon was a lowlife scumbag who chose to do nothing with his life. To celebrate this event as a “win” for the black community is as ignorant as it gets. Maybe someone will do you a favor and put you out of your misery.
So, “Robyn from Oakland”, calls me a “demonic homo sapien”,..Well Robyn, you are entitled to your opinion,..but “name calling”, is, often, the “fallback” position, of those persons who, really have nothing to say,..A reading of my previous comment, will show, that, I am “up front”, from the begining, & I say, in effect, that I DO have a largely negative opinion, of the “Negro” community,..& I gave three examples, of things, that, I have observed about that community, that “cause”, me to hold those negative attitudes that I do , admittedly, hold, about that community,..To sum up my previous remarks, which raised the ire of “Robyn”, I gave three examples of the Black Communitie’s tendency to “stick”, together,..even when they are wrong,..& NOT admit, that the Black, community, bears MUCH of the RESPONSIBILITY, for the MANY problems ENDEMIC, to that community,..Case in point,..Consider, Mr. Lovelle Mixon,..Here is an individual,..out on parole, after serving, six years, for a CONVICTION, for car jacking,..wherein a GUN, was used,..So now, Mr, Mixon is in a position to get his life, straight,..all he needs to do, is, get a job, keep his appointments with his parole officer, & not break any more laws,..So now we have Mr. Mixon, failing to keep his parole appointments, & driving around town, in his sister’s car, with two, LOADED, “stolen” guns,in his possession. They had to be “stolen”, because, he, being a convicted felon, cannot buy guns through legal channels, due to the “backgroud check” proceedure, as required by law,..So here is Lovelle, who, by his own actions, is putting himself in position to be sent back to prison,..& NOT, just for parole violation, but for the additional, “possession of stolen property” & “felon in posession of a firearm”, charges,..Thus Mr. Mixon was a candidate for the “three strikes”, law to kick in,.. All of this, & we have not even touched upon what CRIMINAL acts, Mr. Mixon was planning to commit with those stolen guns,..Who might he have “gunned down”, IF he had not been stopped by the cops,.? We will never know,..But what we DO, know, for sure, is that the likes of Lovelle Mixon, KILL many more, innocent, Oakland citizens than the Cops ever will,..Yet, all to many, Negro “Commentators”, on this, & other. blogs, justify, Mr. Mixon’s actions, by saying that he was “afraid”, of being sent back to prison,..Well, he wouldn’t need to be “Afraid”, of being sent back, IF he just did not continue with his CRIMINAL lifestyle of choice,..Apparently, many apologists for Lovelle Mixon, fail to understand this principal,..There are, all to many,thugs, like Lovelle, in ALL “Negro”, communities across America,..BECAUSE, the “BLACK”, community, tolerates them, & makes excuses for them,.. & then blames “Whitey”, for their actions,..So, until, & unless the “Black” community decides to “clean up it’s act”, I will continue to hold my, “negative”, opinions about that community,..I do notice that it is “politically correct”, to hold negative attitudes about the “White”, race,..but, not so about the Negro” race,..But then, nobody ever accused me of being politically correct,..I just tell it like it is,…
I feel you Rue Angel. I can see you have been traumatized by a black guy beating someone up, and I can identify because I have been traumatized by all these hundreds if not thousands of white serial killers and sexual predators who prey on innocent people. So I know what you mean about negative opinions about a community because I have very negative opinions about white men who have victimized so many children, women and old people by sexually mutilating and murdering them in countless heinous ways.
This debate is not as difficult or complicated is many of you are making it out to seem.
The bottom line is this…
The police force claims that it is here to SERVE and PROTECT. However that is NOT the reality in the Black and Brown communities of Oakland or any other city in America. The police regularly brutalize, stigmatize, harass, falsify, and terrorize people constantly.
Of all the high profile cases of Police killing UNARMED Black people, whether recorded by video cameras or not, you tell me how many of those officers have lost their jobs and been tried and convicted of a crime!
The AmeriKKKan model of the police force was created back in the 17 and 1800’s as a tool to CATCH RUNAWAY SLAVES and KEEP THEM IN THEIR PLACE! The police were never created to SERVE AND PROTECT Black people. That is why most white people and black people have two totally opposite views of the police. Oh and for the record, several colonial style police officers were BLACK, and their job was still to catch slaves who had escaped from their masters and keep them in there place, so just being a “Black” cop doesn’t mean squat if they are simply carrying out the orders of a system that was created to enforce oppression and and White Supremacy.
Tell me when was the last time an officer came up to any of us as Black and Brown people and just said “Hello”, or asked us how we are doing and if there was any way they could assist us that day??? THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN TO US, EVER!! Because they operate under the assumption that we are ALL CRIMINALS and ANIMALS who must be doing SOMETHING wrong, we just haven’t been caught yet.
In conclusion, Malcolm said it best, “The chickens always come home to roost”, and police are not immune to this universal law of karma. What you put out you will receive back, sooner or later, and often when you least expect it.
I believe that Lovelle Mixon did some terrible things and made some terrible decisions in hes life, and true to the law of reciprocity, those things caught up to him, and he is now dead.
However, the OPD has also committed some terrible atrocities against the citizens of Oakland for decades with IMPUNITY, and thought they would get away with it, however the law of reciprocity caught up to them as well, and when they least expected it.
The life of a police officer is not ANY more precious than mine, or yours, or any other law abiding, taxpayer in America, but that is the message that we are constantly being sent in America.
Where was Schwarzenegger when Oscar Grant was killed? Did he even write a letter of condolence. Where was the city sponsored vigil? It took a week to even here a response from then and only AFTER people rioted. How DISGUSTING!
When the police start treating the ordinary hard working citizens in the Black and Brown community with LOVE, RESPECT AND COMPASSION, then the Black and Brown community will start showing the police LOVE, RESPECT AND COMPASSION in return. Ashe and Amen.
Documentation of the origin of the modern day police force as an organization to catch Africans who had run away from their slave masters, and enforce the laws that had been created to keep Blacks “In Their Place”….
a) http://www.ci.washington.mo.us/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={23940B3A-AE8F-41D6-858D-03DD8C7055E5}&DE={ADBCE0CD-1FC5-4661-A3FD-5C75C7CEBFD5}
b) http://www.adena.com/adena/USA/cw/cw149.htm
c) http://books.google.com/books?id=yaseH2ICEX4C&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=police+were+formed+to+catch+slaves&source=bl&ots=fEevQ5QLGk&sig=u_KKOGdopiv9xem9qaXQ4wnMTbY&hl=en&ei=-krHScmsO5HItQPvmbWCBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1
2) Documentation of high profile cases where police have killed Black people all over the country in recent history…
http://leehiphopshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8166&st=0&start=0
Where is the White OUTCRY over these individuals who have lost THEIR LIVES AT THE HANDS OF POLICE? Where is THEIR VIGIL? Where are THEIR FLOWERS?
You disgusting hypocrites.
There are some damn smart people typing here. Kush, you get an A+++ and so does Joseph.
Yeah, props to Kush for that excellent “origins of modern day police forces” link. Wikipedia has also created an entry for Lovelle Mixon. It is incredibly biased towards the European American viewpoint. I’ve tried disputing it and editing the entry to make it more accurate, but I’m simply OUTGUNNED. READ how the self-proclaimed “free encyclopedia” portrays the entire incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Oakland_police_shootings
http://blog.operation-nation.com/2009/03/24/oakland-pd-the-criminal-cesspool-of-thugs.aspx
http://blog.operation-nation.com/2009/03/26/san-francisco-chronicle-oakland-pd-convict-mixon-of-rape.aspx
Before we start calling out the white populace as a whole for not being appropriately angry about injustice against minorities, why don’t you start holding mainstream media accountabe for not publicizing it enough. Instead of screaming “white devil” and holding the white populace accountable for something beyond their control, call out the media bias as racist. By generalizing against any ethnic group all you’re going to do is stir up hate, distrust, and segregation. I’m not racist, and it makes me mad when I’m called one in a generality by anyone. I’ve said it before, if you want to stop racism you have to root it out of yourself first. While I can’t speak for my entire race, I can and do speak for myself when I say it’s bullcrap that there isn’t more justice done for minorities, but stop blaming me just because I’m part of an ethnic group. THAT’S RACISM.
Does Congresswoman Barbara Lee truly speak for *us*?
(Or, are all lives truly “equal”?)
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“Does Barbara Lee Still Speak for You and Me?”
By Henry Norr
Wednesday March 25, 2009
Berkeley Daily Planet newspaper
Berkeley, CA
[Excerpt]
When four Oakland police officers were killed last weekend, Rep. Barbara Lee wasted no time before speaking out. The very next day — on a Sunday, no less — she issued not one but two press releases expressing condolences to the victims’ families and support for their colleagues. The following day she took to the floor of the House and for more than six minutes paid tribute to these “fallen heroes,” as she put it. The press statements promptly appeared on her official website, and a video clip of her remarks to the House was posted to her YouTube channel.
Unfortunately, she wasn’t nearly as quick to respond to some other recent incidents of violence that have concerned many of her constituents:
• Oscar Grant. After the BART police murdered Oscar Grant III at the Fruitvale station, Lee made no public statement about the incident for more than a week. Only after hundreds of her constituents had taken to the streets to express their outrage — not only at the killing, but also at the establishment’s demonstrable indifference to it — did she issue a statement declaring that her “thoughts and prayers are with the family of Oscar Grant as they grieve the loss of their loved one.”
Even then, she and her staff don’t seem to have made much of an effort to get her statement out. They didn’t even bother to post it on her website — as of March 25, it’s still not there — and the only place Google finds the text is in a Bay Area News Group blog, not even in the Oakland Tribune or other East Bay papers. (On Jan. 14 Lee issued another statement saying she was “pleased” at the arrest of former officer Johannes Mehserle. That one did make it to her website.)
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Thanks again, Brown Girl from East Los (on March 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm)!
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The media coverage is sickening. It is even on the front page of the Sunday L.A. Times. It talks about fallen heroes, but I don’t see what is heroic about it at all. They are making a media circus out of this to drum up support for more repressive policies and against releasing people from prison early as has been ordered by the court.
I do feel bad for the families of anyone who dies like that, but I feel as bad for Mixon’s family, and actually I feel worse for Oscar Grant’s family because he did not choose to go into an occupation like that, he was totally innocent.
the factual inaccuracies in this piece of propaganda are startling. assuming that Mixon had a political conscience. not mentioning his violent record or his being accused of being a predatory rapist. charging Mark Dunakin with “wreaking havoc” without offering any details or substance. invoking Obama with no context. comparing East Oakland to Gaza. referencing time magazine with no quotes. not bothering to obtain any quotes–that’s called “sourcing”–which could have corroborated the writer’s viewpoints. offering up opinion as fact. i’m pro-black and don’t love police, but the utter lack of anything resembling objectivity here doesn’t do the bayview nor the community any favors. this is just a textbook piece of bad journalism.
Yo ProJourno (on March 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm)!
IF you understand journalism (which obviously you don’t completely), then you should recognize that the above entitled article is called A _COMMENTARY_ (which was also read by its author on KPFA’s “Flashpoints” on March 25th, in the space of about 5 minutes).
In a _commentary_, one often has very limited space/time to present one’s views: it is not usually meant to be an exhaustively or completely documented report or anything resembling a technical journal article. It’s a place where one often makes (sometimes employing oratory) and points out common (even if otherwise unrecognized by too many people) historical and moral comparisons and/or contrasts to other examples, and to relate common group experiences. Furthermore, this view/commentary (as opposed to the typical white view or the politically bound-&-gagged Black politicians’ view) is one that is never given space or voice (the voice of the voiceless) in the establishment media — even though I and milllions of other people of color feel this way. I myself have written numerous formal (as well as informal) analytical _commentaries_, some of which (especially the formal ones) you can look up online under my name and city — and I (and obviously other people of color here and elsewhere) thought that this one by JR was *EXCELLENT*.
Martin Luther King or Malcolm X or Stokely Carmichael or Bobby Seales, etc., didn’t document everything they said in most speeches (an in-person, extended public commentary before a live audience) — having a lot more time.
But you — and people like you — are always willing to just take the cops’, or the media’s, word for it, huh?
Did you — and have you ever — “ProJourno”, call(ed) or email(ed) the police department or the media and ask them for primary documentation and sources? *NNNO*!
Have you ever contacted any victims of police, or their families, or CopWatch, or Black/Brown grassroots organizers, or representative Black/Brown organizations for their account of the story? *NNNO*!
Have you ever been to any of the Oscar Grant Movement community meetings by different groups, or the BART board meetings about Oscar Grant, or any of the protests/demos? *NNNO!!!*
And if you’re really a white person who’s “pro-black” — if that’s even true — you don’t or *wouldn’t* — have to say it in an email post (and whites I know who are “pro-Black” [whatever that 'means'], never would feel the need to explicitly say it), but usually those who feel the sharp compulsion to say something like that, *AREN’T* really.
You see, I know people like you all-too-well.
for a guy from berkley, you sure are a dumbass.
PEACE!!!
And if you actually went to an english class after highschool, you would realize that it’s true that this is a very biased paper. In a report/article/position you have to have a rebuttal for any position you take to be considered objective. Point out the rebuttal. And if you don’t know what a rebuttal is, it’s where you point out a genuine concern the opposing side has.
May you darwinism take you quickly,
me.
How impressive! Whiteguy took an English class AND a sociology class. Not everything is done *exactly* the way your teacher says it has to be done Whiteguy. You are really the dumbass here.
White Guy, you are straying away from the larger issues here and attempting to distract the people who visit this forum from what is really important.
How dare you talk about biased reporting, when that’s all we’ve been hearing the entire week from the media is BIASED reporting!
The facts are that a convicted felon killed four Oakland police officers. The community is divided. The vast majority of White citizens are profoundly supportive of not only those four officers but the entire Nationwide police force as well. However, large segments of the Black community nationwide, feel that the police ARE NOT here to SERVE and PROTECT the Black and Brown community, but rather are an occupying and repressive force. Ask yourself WHY that is White Guy. Why do the Black and White communities have two diametrically opposed views of the same police force. Could it be because the police treat black and white people differently???
As a gentlemen on the news said, All week long we have heard the perspective of the SLAVEMASTER, now it’s time to hear the perspective of THE SLAVE. That’s what this article is, the perspective of the slave, in an attempt to make sense out of the racial divide when it comes to the opinion of the police.
Now before you start talking about how this has nothing to do with slavery, and that we as Black people need to forget about slavery and move on with our lives,(typical White response), let me remind you that America is a very young country, comparatively speaking, and that slavery is not that far off as many people would like to have us believe.
When it is convenient, Amerikkkan lawmakers, politicians and patriots reference our FOUNDING FATHERS, the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, and the values and principles developed in the late 1700’s time as being the foundation of American culture and society today?
Yet these same individuals will neglect to mention that at that same time period during the FOUNDATION of Amerikkka, those same Amerikkkan values and principles held that Black people were animals,(we were subsequently upgraded to 3/5 of a human being for political purposes), black life was considered valueless and indispensible, and that Black people were inferior to Whites. Abraham Lincoln, The Great Emancipator, said those exact words himself!
So the values and morals that shaped this country 200 years ago are relevant when it comes to American values, government, and ethos today, but not relevant when it comes to its treatment and view of Black people today. How disgusting you hypocrites are!!
The mainstream media have held up not only those four officers as heroes, but the entire OPD, and by extension the entire nationwide police force as well. They have villified and, demonized anyone who has a dissenting view of the police. That is NOT journalistic, that is BIASED.
This article is simply explaining the OPPOSITE view, and describing why many, many, people in the Black community do NOT view the police as HEROES, but rather is an oppressive, occupying force in our neighborhoods.
During slavery, when a slave master died, the majority of slaves REJOICED, not cry. And since the POLICE force was CREATED to enforce and perpetuate slavery, many Black people, while not REJOICING LITERALLY, do not sympathize with the police the way that most White people do, because we have been BRUTALIZED by these same police for far too long, and we are tired of it. The law of reciprocity is alive and well. Amen.
Let me repeat this for the dimwitted…
If someone treats you like crap, day in and day out, year after year, if you heard that something tragic happened to them, while you may not be happy, you certainly would not sympathize with them the same way you would if they had been kind and compassionate to you.
You would probably be thinking that now they know what it FEELS like to be treated like CRAP! That is what many of us are saying. That now the police know what the pain that we feel DAILY at THEIR hands feels like.
Our hope is that because they now share a measure of our pain, that hopefully it will move them to change their racist and brutal practices against Black people.
AS I stated earlier, when the police completely eradicate the mentality of their formation, which was to catch and treat Black people as slaves to be controlled and oppressed, and start treating us with dignity, caring, compassion and love, then the Black and Brown community, will in turn RECIPROCATE and treat the police force with caring, compassion and love.
As long as they treat the community with disrespect, hate, brutality, and oppression, then that is what they will receive back from the community.
As legendary abolitionist Frederick Douglass said, “The thing worse than rebellion, is the thing that causes rebellion”.
Ponder on that for a moment. And by the way, I’m from East Oakland, CA. 51st and Foothill, in the heart of it all.
This article is written by someone with a very warped point of view who celebrates things that civil rights leaders would have been ashamed of. Stop it with your victim mentality, Mixon is a piece of trash who had no one else to blame for his problems but himself. Have you ever heard of the word accountability… guess not. The victim mentality in America in general needs to stop… grow up.
Kush,
Happened to me the other day. The police Sargent I’ve been working with to get some low life thugs out of our neighborhood called to see how things were going since we got them out, how my family was and plans for summer programs. Police offers patrol regularly, and I see them doing their job on a daily basis. Running a business in the community where I live, I have a vested interest in keeping the trash out; regardless of its color or origin.
As a black man, who spent 8 years (most of them as a teen) going to Richmond schools and seeing the worst of the worst I agree that all cops are not perfect. I also believe that if I not into something I’m not supposed to be into and keeping my nose clean, I’m in pretty good shape. Pulled over? Oh yeah. Questioned? Oh yeah. Did I answer honestly and go through the process? Yes I did. Any trouble? A little inconvenience and an apology and I moved on with my life.
I’d rather have my police agency taking the time to try and catch people doing the wrong thing, even if it means some folks experience a slight delay because of it. I also make no bones about owning firearms (legally) and defending my homestead if necessary from aforementioned trash. Oddly enough, local law enforcement supports my position.
While not everyone is perfect, not everyone is doing it wrong either.
To brown girl: You still have yet to give me a logical thought out argument for your position, and making fun of me for being educated and pointing out legitimate flaws in a paper that’s supposed to be an “argument”, meaning logically constrasting two points of views to determine which is better, is idiotic. Stop trying to attack me and start talking about the problem without ridiculous generalizations and personal slights. I’ll stop calling you stupid, but in return I’d like that logical argument.
To Kush: I’m not avoiding the topic or trying to distract from it. I’m responding to comments left by others about my points of view (which, no matter how I seem to write them, they are interpreted as “whitey said kill the nigger”) I have stated before that I don’t think I’m in a position to make a judgement in this case since I am not an eye witness and have been able to find no footage of the stop or the swat shootout. I have also said that I don’t think it’s just to blame the white population because of a media bias, which is what seems to be happening.
If someone wanted to say some white guy who controls the media is a racist and is doing all this, then I’d be behind them all the way, but that’s not what’s being said. What’s being said is that white cops pick on black people, and that white people dont care when it happens. I do care when it happens. I think it’s bullshit. I’m in the military, and I’ve had my ass saved by friends of different race/color more than once. I’ve also done the same for them. It’s bullshit that anyone, officers included, should treat anyone poorly reguardless of race or stereotypes.
I’ve also said that those who continue to say things like “amerikkkan” are only helping seed distrust and racial hate. You want to be equal then act like an equal and stop placing blame where it doesn’t belong. NOTE: THAT’S NOT TO SAY BLACKS ARENT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, SO DON’T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. My point is by generalizing against all whites, or all of any race or color, you’re only furthuring the racist agenda by creating anger and distrust where it’s not necessary. If you want to blame someone, blame the INDIVIDUALS responsible, i.e., the INDIVIDUAL who created or allowed the media bias, the INDIVIDUAL COP OR INDIVIDUAL BAD GUY that did what was wrong, or the INDIVIDUAL that propogated the racism. That’s the biggest problem that I have with this article, is that it generalizes all cops as bad guys, whites as the wannabe slave-master, and black criminals as heroes, when none of these are anything but generalizations designed for propoganda.
When this story broke, I really felt bad for the four officer’s families….not the Oakland Police Department, due to its atrocities towards the Black Community. Speaking as a police brutality survivor myself, I know why there are people out there, particularly in communities of color feel very little or no sympathy towards the police, due to their brutalities, profiling, ignorance, sterotypes, and tragically to say, killings of unarmed youths of color.
I personally understand why my people feel the way that they do about the police. However, I could never have any inhumane feelings of a life being ruthlessly cutdown. Death is never prejudiced.
When S.F.P.D Officers Birco and Tuvera lost their lives in 2006, I gave a sympathy card to Heather Fong to give to their families, but I still had alot of animosity towards the S.F.P.D after what happened to me. My godmother, mesha Monge-Irizarry, director of ISARC extended her condolences to the department.
Since then, I learned to channel my negative energy, constructively. Police culture has unfortunately always been aimed to oppress people in poor neighborhoods, regardless if their is crime or not. Being poor is a crime in this country, and the system structures itself on making policies, laws, decisions, and programs that always have a negative impact on the poor.
Even when an officer WANTS to properly operate within the law as they’re supposed to, many of them are easily manipulated to do otherwise. When it comes to the Oscar Grant outcry movement, and these four slain officers, neither one should outweigh the other.
If Oakland Police and every police department learn to interact with their communities more often in a more postive manner, we won’t need anymore protest for “Justice For So and So.” The only thing good that can come out of all tragedies is unity in community.
Wow.
Let’s get the facts straight here.
An African American male is pulled over by the police in an African American part of town (but it’s racial profiling, right, even though everyone else in that part of town is black too).
He’s broken the law numerous times since his release from jail, and he panics, fearing going back to jail. (The laws are racist too, even though white people aren’t allowed to own illegal handguns, avoid their parole officer, etc.)
He then shoots them, even though they hadn’t drawn their guns.
He then goes, and shoots them each in the head to make sure that they’re dead.
He then goes, and hides like a coward, and shoots two more policemen before he is shot.
If the police were really racist, genocidal maniacs, I think that they would do more than kill 2 African-American people. Maybe the real racist genocidal nuts are the “community” who tolerate 100+ murders of blacks by blacks, spurn the marital traditions of Africa, abort 70% of their children, and blame people with different color skin (whites, Asians, hispanics) for all of their problems.
PS.
I’m not white, not racist, my wife is African American, I voted for a black congressman, a black governor, and a black president. A lot of whites must have too, because they all won. So quit playing the race card.
abort 70% of their children? “tolerate” murder?
Mr. “American” you are so full of shit. Does your African American wife do all the things you mentioned in your racist diatribe? If not, why do you point your finger at all African Americans as “racist genocidal nuts” who do all manner of heinous acts.
You are so clearly one more pathetic cop trying to cloak your racist bullshit in some sort of fake statistics.
You people need to get a full time job and quit living in the 1800s….
* * * Yo “Brown Girl from East Los”!! * * *
* * * Thank you very much * * * for your previous compliments (March 27th, 2009 at 2:17pm — and March 28th, 2009 at 9:50pm) about my “Karmic Justice” post (March 27th, 2009 at 11:14am).
It inspired me (I thought, if someone intelligent and obviously sociopolitically dedicated thought it was that good) to expand my comment post (also picked up at DaveyD.com) and write it as a formal guest commentary for the Berkeley Daily Planet, and to submit it to several other publications to cover different readerships.
Also today, Friday morning, on KALW (91.7fm) “Your Call Radio” program (11:am), out of San Francisco, a daily radio interview and listener call-in talk program which I regularly listen to and sometimes call in to, a female caller, a Susan from Oakland, called in to recommend my BDP commentary to listeners (she called in around, plus-or-minus, three-quarters into the program). This radio program was also repeated again at 5:pm, so hopefully my formal commentary will get even wider attention and reading as representing a voice of the normally left voiceless by the white establishment media.
Right on Joseph! I’m going to see if I can hear it on the internet. Keep up the good work!
Malaika H. Kambon,
Damn that is the best summary of what is exactly going on in this country that I’ve heard in a long time. It’s so pathetic that people don’t see this, but I understand it’s the media that continues to promote it in order to support the government and military industrial complex which is represented in our local police departments.
Why should I believe anything that a police department spokes person says with regard to these matters? What reason do any of us have to trust a police department that allows killers to run rampant and even pay them while on administrative leave. Why would anyone believe the police departments claim that Mixon was a rapist? Many of us have first hand experience with pigs we know how they think and what they do. Don’t think for a second that a pig is gonna do the right thing when it comes to turning in another pig for improper conduct or not demonize someone that killed a pig, it’s what they do, they have methods and techniques, it’s just public relations to them. In reality the oakland city government cares less about those pigs than they do about the contrived honor or image they would like the world to percieve of their great empire. Now the Rabbit has the gun.
Cops very rarely go to jail for killing unarmed innocent people. There’s volumes of documented history on police brutality, some of our greatest leaders have experienced this brutality openly for all to see and yet we still have people that believe the pigs are entitled to respect or can be trusted. Why would anyone trust a cop?
Remember this country’s government was built by slave owners and rapists. So what else would we expect for the past 500 some years.
I would like to bring attention to the profanity and name calling many of these people resort to here. Instead of making an intelligent comment like Malaika H. Kambon, they resort to weird attempts at comic phrasing of completely vulgar rude and totally unimportant trains of thought. I mean i’ve even gotten caught up in it with refering to the cops as pigs. I can admit that! So are any of you people adult enough to face your self and admit a fault you may have in your own argument? Is it not ok to see the hand that the oakland police department played in this incident with it’s DOCUMENTED history of treatment of young african males?
The 4 cops HAD guns, training and most likely protective gear. How many UN-ARMED African Men, women and children have police killed? Those 4 cops had more than a fair advantage. Mixon obviously was able to outwit these 4-5 supposedly highly trained officers of the law. Not to mention the tactical logistics and technological support the oakland police department had pursuing him. I think from a purely strategic point of view to study as EUROPEANS love to do ;) it’s a feat Houdini, chris angel nor even chuck norris could have ever pulled off. It’s just such a rare occurence I believe it to be a sign of something much bigger. Maybe even a turning point, imagine if every african male understood his power to take out 4 cops, what does that mean from a mathematical point of view to every police department in america? Then multiple that by every native and mexican american! Did mixon have some kind of special training or was he an average joe? Does anyone know?
filthy animal, go back to africa, your behavior is the norm there.
TO Malaika H. Kambon (March 24th, 10:48pm), Kush (March 28th, 9:20pm), and Brown Girl from East Los: your commments are excellent.
You should also consider emailing a letter to the editor, or a guest commentary, to opinion[at]BerkeleyDailyPlanet.com so that they reach a predominantly white readership too. The BDP is distributed in Berkeley and Oakland, and is, of course, also published online. It gets a very large readership — you know, because it comes out of Berkeley.
The limit for letters is 400 words; the limit for guest commentaries is 1,000 words.
You should try to get it in as soon as possible well before Wednesday so they have time to include and place it in their layout — the Daily Planet comes out every week on Thursday.
(Just one recommendation: in a formal commentary don’t use a lot of CAPS in your body text. Formal publications generally don’t like that and won’t formally publish anything with a lot of body text caps. And keep your paragraphs relatively short, like you did.)
The BDP is apparently allowing at least a few authentic Black voices and we need to add to that — to counterbalance all the (to put it politely) stuff in the Bay Area corporate media.
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Thank you Marlon Crump for your informative input. Many of these people commenting miss a quintessential point when you say….
“I personally understand why my people feel the way that they do about the police. However, I could never have any inhumane feelings of a life being ruthlessly cutdown. Death is never prejudiced.”
I agree whole heartedly. Yes there is frustration in the black community about inappropriate police behavior. Yes many police officers disrepect and verbally and sometimes physically abuse people in that community….and yes there are some good police officers who are trying to do a difficult job…..but that doesn’t mean that you celebrate the deaths of officers who were brutally shot down while making a traffic stop by a coward. It’s not as if they were wrongly beating him for no reason and in self defense he grabbed their gun and defended himself. No, he shot them down in cold blood and I don’t care if they were white, black, brown or yellow. My heart goes out to them and their families. All human life should be cherished.
Yes this tragedy should be a catalyst to discuss the role of policing in predominately poor minority communities and the problems that arise…but all the racist name calling and the glorification of this horrific act makes me realize there is plenty of blame to go around.
“Level of UN-Consciousness” : “All human life should be cherished.”
Should Southern slave plantation owners lives have been “cherished”? Should Hitler’s life have been “cherished”? Should Mussolini’s life have been “cherished”? Should Stalin’s life have been “cherished”? Should the Shah of Iran’s life have been “cherished”? Should Pinochet’s life have been “cherished”? Should the CIA agents, who’ve overthrown 3rd World *democracies* and even assassinated 3rd World democratic heads of state all over the world, lives have been “cherished”? Should Pol Pots life have been “cherished”? Should Jeffrey Dahmer and the like lives have been “cherished”? Should the lives of cops be “cherished” who wantonly shoot down and kill innocent unarmed Blacks — men, women, teenagers and even children — sometimes in a hail of bullets? I could go on and on to make my point about your totally _EMPTY STUPID PLATITUDE_.
Oh you mentioned the lives of the police that should be “cherished” — BUT YOU DIDN’T SAY *ANYTHING* ABOUT THAT LOVELLE MIXON’S LIFE BEING CHERISHED. You know Mixon’s family and friends and the 500 people who showed up at his funeral cherished his life too — and he was trying to get a job (trying to improve himself) for whose important appointments his parole officer kept missing.
The cops out in Binghamton, New York, took the *WHITE* MALE GUN MANIAC *alive*, who gunned down and killed 3 cops there. The Oakland cops were so itching to kill Lovelle Mixon (and who knows how he might have been provoked by the cops who are always eager to provoke anyone else Black/Brown) that two (and almost three) more cops got killed rushing in, thinking they were some kind of TV supercops, instead of waiting for back-up like the New York cops did.
WHEN THE PIGS START CHERISHING *OUR* LIVES (wantonly killing, maiming, beating, tasering, torturing, otherwise brutalizing, abusing, and harassing us), THEN (given other important behavioral improvements on their part) WE MIGHT START CHERISHING THEIRS.
Joseph Anderson from Berkley
Soooo we’re suppose to believe that Mixon was trying to improve himself by trying to get a job and his parole officer was the one missing all the appointments. So he shot unarmed police officers because they were keeping him from going to an interview…..? Give me a break! Instead of making excuses for these repeat offenders who terrorize communities and commit crimes against those same people in those communities is a weak argument. It’s people like you who keep making excuses for these young men who actually need to start taking responsibity of their lives, quit trying to take the easy way out by committing crimes and preying on innocent people in their communities. There’s no social program that can replace individual responsibility and hard work. It’s ironic that there is a much higher percentage of black on black crimes ending in death that happens everyday yet there are so many who are outraged about the far less frequent number of police negligently taking a life. Wait do I hear another excuse coming? People need to take responsibility and quit blaming everyone else for their problems. Yes there are those in our society with greater opportunities and resources with which to draw from but guess what? That means if you’re not a part of that group you need to work that much harder. Hangin’ on street corners with gold teeth and baggy jeans smoking weed committing crimes and blaming the man is not a recipe for success.
As usual, Joesph has it right! Your point about southern slave owners, Hitler and others is right on, Joseph. Thank you for your spot on analysis of the situation. It is a breath of fresh air.
You need to stop making excuses for cops who gun down un-armed citizens. Let’s face it, white people can’t believe a black man gunned down 4 white cops. It’s not what happens in the movies. It’s not possible, how could he have out performed those 4-5 cops, well he did! Get over it, those cops had more than a chance with their own weaponry. Cops are afraid of everything, they shoot kids with cell phones for christ sake. To protect and serve one should not fear for his own life, part of the job is to be fearless! Those cops were hunting that kid Mixon plain and simple, they wanted to chase him down like a dog and kill him and so he protected himself for as long as he could, he went out figthing! I’m sure those cops had the best of intentions to help mixon turn his life around right, I’m sure they wanted to take him in alive and give him a start at rehabilitaion, right? Is that what cops really want? Right, a cop would never want to hurt someone un-intentionally right? I mean that wouldn’t be right and fair. I mean what world do you live in Un-consciousness?
The sooner you wake up and see we live under a government run by cowardly greedy (mostly white) men the sooner you will understand the motives and circumstances that drive the social engineers of this government. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand these basic methods of control and domination. Either you get it or you don’t , if you don’t then open a book. You are a victim of the powers that be. Mixon chose not to be a victim, he made a decision to obtain liberty or death ie:patrick henry. You choose to believe some disney fable of a place called the good ol U.S. of A. That place only existed for white people, now you are waking up and don’t want to see it, so you demonize all that seems wrong and place blame like a preacher on a witch hunt instead of seeing the real reasons and the hands involved here are the powers you put so much hope and faith in.
WOOD!
Go back to Europe and huddle there in your no-resource having diseased ridden cold filthy environment. U
WOOD!
Go back to Europe and huddle there in your no-resource having diseased ridden cold filthy environment.
“Level of UN-Consciousness”, on April 14th, 2009 at 5:33pm said: “blah, blah, blah, blabber, blabber, blabber, yada, yada, yada, yip yap, yip yap, yip yap, blah, blah, blah…”
Yo, check this out, UN-Conscious — what I wrote in my formal commentary, “Karmic Justice”, April 7, 2009, in the SF Bayview: “…many of us see it as karmic justice, REGARDLESS of WHAT PERSON killed the four – and almost five! – cops, all in a brief afternoon’s work.”
And that’s just how I feel. PERIOD.
I ain’t making any *excuses* at all. Ha-ha!!
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“Level of UN-Consciousness”: “blah, blah, blah, blabber, blabber, blabber, yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah…, It’s ironic that there is a much higher percentage of black on black crimes ending in death that happens everyday yet there are so many who are outraged about the far less frequent number of police negligently taking a life.”
IN EVERY SO-CALLED “RACE”, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE *WITHIN* THEIR “RACE” WHO KILL EACH OTHER THAN DO THE POLICE [OR OTHERS *OUTSIDE* THAT "RACE"] — SSSO *WWHHATT*…!?
All that shows is that people tend to commit crimes — OF ALL SORTS — against those near them, around them, or against those they have greater direct or indirect access to.
SO WHAT RACIAL GROUP *DOESN’T* KILL MORE MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN RACIAL GROUP THAN THE POLICE OR OUTSIDERS? — INCLUDING WHITES!
BUT THOSE MURDERERS ARE *NOT* FUNDED BY THE TREASURY OF THE STATE, ARMED-TO-THE-TEETH WITH EVERYTHING THEY COULD WANT, GIVEN EVEN HELICOPTERS AND ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS, GIVEN A FLEET OF AUTOMOTIVE VEHICLES, PROVIDED A COMMAND-&-CONTROL RADIO TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM, GIVEN COMPUTER ACCESS TO OUR RECORDS, HAVE THE POWER TO ARREST, AND ARE *NOT* CONSTITUTIONALLY EMPOWERED BY THE _**STATE**_
–AND THEY ARE NOT GIVEN *STATE FUNERALS* WITH ALL THEIR KIND FLOWN IN, EVEN FROM CANADA(!!), AT STATE EXPENSE, WITH THE MOTORCADE HIGHWAYS CLOSED, IF THEY THEMSELVES ARE KILLED.
I BET THAT ONLY A *HANDFUL* –IF THAT– OF PEOPLE FROM THE KILLED COPS PATROL BEAT SHOWED UP AT THE FUNERAL: *THAT’S* WHAT TELLS THE STORY — ABOUT HOW PEOPLE THE KILLED COPS ACTUALLY WORKED AROUND ACTUALLY REGARDED THOSE COPS.
HOW MANY ORDINARY CITIZENS, OR GANGS (BESIDES THE *OTHER* GANG IN BLUE, BUT WEARING A BADGE) CAN BE CAUGHT EXECUTING SOMEONE *POINT BLANK* ON EVEN *DOZENS* OF VIDEO CAMERAS, LET ALONE IN A HAILSTORM OF BULLETS, AND GET *ZZZERO*, OR EXTREMELY LIGHT (AND SERVED IN A COUNTRY CLUB PRISON), SENTENCES?
Furthermore, Blacks and whites tend to commit crimes in approximately the same percentages. But, Blacks/Browns who commit crimes are more likely to be arrested, are more likely to be prosecuted, are more likely to be charged with a felony for the same –or even *lesser*– crime, are more likely to be convicted, are more likely to be sentenced to prison, are more likely to be given longer prison sentences, and are more likely not to be able to attain a job when they get out THAN A WHITE PERSON. In fact, Blacks with *no* criminal record are unemployed in higher percentages than whites *with* a criminal record: i.e., IT’S STATISTICALLY EASIER FOR A WHITE PERSON WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD TO GET A JOB THAN A BLACK PERSON WITH *NO* CRIMINAL RECORD.
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“Level of UN-Consciousness”: “Instead of making excuses for these repeat offenders who terrorize communities and commit crimes against those same people in those communities is a weak argument.”
YOU MEAN, THE COPS? — YEAH…, QUIT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THEM.
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“Level of UN-Consciousness”: “Hangin’ on street corners with gold teeth and baggy jeans smoking weed committing crimes and blaming the man is not a recipe for success.”
WHY DON’T YOU TELL THAT TO ALL THOSE WHITE MALES LIKE YOU WHO KEEP *TARGETING* AND MASS MURDERING COMPLETELY INNOCENT PEOPLE EVERYTIME OF YOU WHITE MALES LOSES A JOB AND YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIEND.
I’M SURE IT’S _JUST A MATTER OF TIME_ BEFORE *YOUR* TERRORIZED OR INTIMIDATED AND BEATEN WIFE/GIRLFRIEND –IF A WOMAN WOULD EVEN PUT UP WITH YOU AT ALL– *LEAVES YOU (ESPECIALLY YOU)*, “UN-Consciousness”:
SOME WHITE ‘LIBERAL’ RACIST, MALE, ARROGANT, ‘KNOW-IT-ALL’, A**HOLE
–AND WE’LL SEE THE AFTERMATH OF *YOU* ON THE NEWS, AND ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT *YOU’VE* TARGETED AND MASS MURDERED AT YOUR JOB AFTER YOU WERE FINALLY FIRED.
YOU’RE JUST THE WHITE MALE TYPE.
AND THAT’S EVEN WHAT ONE OF MY HOUSEMATES SAID (Phi Beta Kappa, *MAXED* her Law School Admissions Test, was accepted to every law school she applied to (including STANFORD, BERKELEY, AND HARVARD — AND HARVARD ASKED *HER* TO APPLY), won the best written commendation for Moot Court Competition, was the first in her class to get a job with a major law firm — WHO IS WHITE, FEMALE, AND A SPECIALIST ATTORNEY.
She doesn’t even bother to talk/type to IDIOTS like you, “UN-Consciousness” — and especially *RACIST IDIOTS* like you. And after this (moreso typed for *public* awareness, not yours, “UN-Consciousness”), I won’t bother with you either.
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I COULDN’T RESIST THIS:
“Level of UN-Consciousness”: “quit trying to take the easy way out by committing crimes and preying on innocent people in their communities. There’s no social program that can replace individual responsibility and hard work. …People need to take responsibility and quit blaming everyone else for their problems.”
NO ONE HAS COMMITED GREATER CRIMES IN AMERICA THAN WHITE PEOPLE:
GENOCIDING AND ENTIRE CONTINENT OF MANY NATIONS OF MILLIONS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE;
RUTHLESSLY AND BRUTALLY ENSLAVING MILLIONS MORE — ACROSS THE OCEAN — FOR GENERATIONS OF STOLEN PEOPLE IN A HOLOCAUST WHERE UP TO HALF OF THOSE STOLEN PEOPLE DIED OR WERE KILLED — REGARDED AS “SPOILAGE” IN SLAVERY ACCOUNTING TERMS — JUST IN THE TRANSPORTATION AND “BREAKING IN” PROCESS ALONE;
BURNING ALIVE AT THE STAKE COUNTLESS WOMEN, OF EVEN THEIR *OWN* WHITE RACE, FOR BEING “WITCHES” — REALLY A WAY OF CONTROLLING AND/OR MATERIALLY DISPOSSESSING THOSE WOMEN OF LAND/ESTATE;
IMPORTING AND VIRTUALLY ENSLAVING MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE DOMESTICALLY — OFTEN WORKED TO DEATH IN JOBS “TOO DANGEROUS FOR WHITE MALES” — FROM ANOTHER CONTINENT ACROSS THE OTHER OCEAN;
RAVAGING THE LAND, ENVIRONMENT, AND NEARLY PURPOSELY WIPING OUT ENTIRE SPECIES OF EVEN GREAT LAND ANIMALS;
MASSACRING, GENOCIDING, AND COLONIZING NUMEROUS NATIONS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD, ENSLAVING THOSE LEFT ALIVE AND STEALING THEIR RESOURCES.
ALWAYS LECTURING OTHERS ABOUT THE VALUE OF *HARD WORK* AND *SELF-RESPONSIBILITY*
–PEOPLE WHO STOLE ALMOST 4 *CENTURIES* OF FREE LABOR
–PEOPLE WHO OFTEN WOULDN’T RAISE THEIR OWN CROPS, WASH THEIR OWN CLOTHES, CLEAN THEIR OWN HOME, TRIM THEIR OWN YARDS, COOK THEIR OWN FOOD, OR EVEN POUR THEIR OWN WINE
–WITHOUT SOMEONE BLACK, BROWN OR YELLOW BEING FORCED TO DO IT FOR THEM AT NO OR (LITERALLY OR VIRTUALLY) SLAVE-WAGES.
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WHO HAS BEEN A GREATER *PILLAGER*, *PLUNDERER* AND *PARASITE* IN THE WORLD!? — YET PEOPLE WHO *ALWAYS* BLAME SOMEONE ELSE (BLACK, YELLOW, AND BROWN, HERE, ACROSS BORDERS AND OVERSEAS) FOR THEIR PROBLEMS — *REPEATEDLY* AT LEAST THREATENING TO EVEN NUCLEAR-INCINERATE ENTIRE YELLOW-/BROWN-SKIN COUNTRIES IF THEY DON’T GET THEIR WAY!!
OHHHH, *BEHOLLLLD* THE *SUPERIOR* RACE!!! — COME TO LECTURE *US*!!
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Joseph Anderson of Berkeley
Your arguments are weak and more importantly out dated. Yes there is some truth about the travesties committed by whites in the past and an accurate historic account should be taught in our schools. However, I fail to see how these past events justify unlawful and heinour behavior by criminals. If you spent more time looking forward on how you can take individual responsibility, get an education, take care of your family have a work ethic…… you wouldn’t have the time to sit and pout about what happened in the past. But I see, that would take work and its much easier to sit back and blame others. How unfortunate that you have come to this conclusion. Just let the world pass you by while you spend time blaming past transgressions. I would spend more time refuting your illogical and irrational response but guess what, I have a professional job to go to…… and guess what, I work with several professional African Americans who are friends of mine who believe as I do…… If you ever decide to move forward and quit making excuses you’ll find the world a much better place……..
These cops have been bringing hell on the black community in oakland and have no regard for minority life. they harass people out here and once their shift is over they go home to there wife and kids like nothing happened. The police in america kill a average of one person a day and see no consequence.They think of all minorities as the enemy and show it every day on the job. Me personally i was beaten by the police in east oakland at the age of 12. If they did their job instead of handling social vendettas maybe Lovelle wouldn’t have do much support. No one cared when people in the street were getting killed with automatic weapon but when it happens to police its a major issue not…it shows how the color of your skin shows so much in 09 especially in a community that is mostly african american and hispanics.im not saying what lovelle did was justified but it sure was bound to happen. The opd has been bringing hell for to long. its time for a dose of reality. They need to see what these streets are really like when you do dirt out here. They were under federal investigation for a reason.Oakland Police are dirty as fuck.Just because of this doesnt mean that they deserve medals.
OHHHH, *BEHOLLLLD* THE *SUPERIOR* RACE!!! — COME TO LECTURE *US*!!
EXACTLY! And doesn’t it get old? I, for one, am so sick of the so-called superior race’s lectures.
And then Level of *something* says that if Joseph ever decides to move forward he will find the world a much better place. Sure! How convenient if the smart young people like Joseph just decide to “move forward” ie forget history, adopt a subservient mentality, and take advice from racists on what will make *his* life better. Operative phrase: HIS LIFE, not yours level of *something*. That is the part you guys never get. Joseph is obviously trying to make positive change in a world that badly needs it. I call that moving forward!
Joesph – I woke up to your great, and as always, insightful, commentary this morning, and it made my day!
Joseph – I am relocating to the bay area and I would like to be in touch with smart people like you who know where the political activism is happening. Would you email me at your convenience at browngirlfromEastLos@gmail.com ?
Thank you!
Level of UN-Consciousness, on April 15th, 2009 at 11:37 am said:
to Joseph Anderson of Berkeley
“UN-Consciousness”: “If you spent more time looking forward on how you can take individual responsibility, get an education, take care of your family have a work ethic…… you wouldn’t have the time to sit and pout about what happened in the past.”
“individual responsibility”??? — WE’VE ALREADY COVERED THAT WHYTE BOY.
YOU’RE THE CLUELESS WHYTE BOY: THIS WHOLE COUNTRY WAS STOLEN, GENOCIDED, SLAVED LABOR WORKED, AND MADE FOR *YYOUU*!
–AND YET *YOU’RE* THE ONE WITH _NOTHING BETTER TO DO_ BUT *REPEATEDLY* COME HERE TO *POUT* AND *GROUSE* AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR.
–THE PEOPLE THAT, COLLECTIVELY, YOU’VE PILLAGED, PLUNDERED AND PARASITED OFF OF ALL YOUR COLLECTIVE WHITE LIFE — ALL OVER THE *WORRRLD* — GETTIN’ EVERYTHING YOU’VE GOTTEN FROM OUR BLOOD AND AT OUR — RED, BLACK, BROWN AND YELLOW — COLLECTIVE EXPENSE.
–AND YET YOU’RE **STILL** GROUSIN’!! …YOU’RE JUST A BIG WHYTE *BABY*!!
POUTING??? …LATELY, I’M *CELEBRATING*!!: DIDN’T I MAKE THAT *CLEAR* IN MY RECENT FORMAL COMMENTARY, “KARMIC JUSTICE”?
All my adult life I have lived in some of theee most desirable neighborhoods in whatever city I’ve lived in. I work, and I currently live in the chic Elmwood-Rockridge “gourmet ghetto” district of Berkeley. Although I don’t write nearly often enough (and my friends keep pushing me to formally write more), I’ve been published in several venerable political/literary journals, in addition to other smaller and larger prominent publications (including a special features commmentary in the San Francisco Chronicle) in this country (and Canada). I’ve been interviewed on the PBS Newshour, on numerous radio programs, and even on British television about sociopolitical/sociocultural issues. My friends are politically *CONSCIOUS* activists &/or academics at every level — from the grassroots to nationally prominent professors (like Cornel West, Michael Eric Dyson, Ishmael Reed, Richard Majors, Maxine Hong Kingston, Ling Chi-Wang, Makeda Graham, Hatem Bazian…, just to name a few — who would regard you, “UN-Consciousness”, as a *JOKE*). I (and my multicultural housemates) have been internationally travelled to numerous countries and I have friends on every continent.
WHEN YOU, “UN-Consciousness”, ARE PUBLISHED *ANYWHERE* PROMINENT, YOU LET ME KNOW, OKAY?
“UN-Consciousness”: “I would spend more time refuting your illogical and irrational response but guess what, I *CAN’T*: ALL I CAN DO IS MAKE _*THE INEVITABLE EXCUSES*_ WHY I **CAN’T**, BUT STILL *CONTINUE* TO RUN MY MOUTH OFF SPOUTING *NOTHING* BUT REACTIONARY WHITE RACIST BARROOM BLATHER AND POSING AS A WHITE LIBERAL!”
And ‘yeah’, you “have a professional job” [wink-wink] — uh-huh…: that’s why you have *_so much time to write during the day*_, huh? I told you that one of my housemates is a specialist attorney — and she, let alone I, would *never* have that kind of time to write *so often during the day*, lllike youuu obviously dooo. What does that say about *you’re* “work ethic”: does your boss know that you spend all that time, wasting his/her money, online chastising Black and Brown people?
“UN-Consciousness”: “…and guess what, I work with several professional African Americans who are friends of mine who believe as I do.”
‘SURRRRE’ YA DO…, UN-Conscious WHYTE BOY…, UH-HUH…
SOME OF YOUR “*BEST FRIENDS*” ARE BLACK, HUH…?
DO *THEY* KNOW IT???…
BUT, OF COURSE, YOU CAN *NEITHER* _*PUT UP*_ OR _*SHUT UP*_, CAN YOU.
(Oh, and are they “*professional* African Americans” — HA-HA-HA!! — you might want to ask them — or “African American *professionals*”? First, you better learn to write, o superior whyte boy!)
I’LL LOOK ON THE BREAKING NEWS ONE DAY FOR YOU IN YOUR ‘WIFE-BEATERS’ UNDERSHIRT, AFTER YOU’VE LOST YOUR JOB AND YOUR DOMESTICALLY ABUSED GIRLFRIEND/WIFE (whomever might have some arrogant boorish white male know-it-all like you *at all*) *FINALLY* BREAKS UP WITH YOU — AND YOU’VE GONE AND KILLED EVERYONE ALL UP IN HER FAMILY, YOUR FAMILY, AND YOUR WORKPLACE, AND THE FIRST 3 COPS THAT SHOW UP, OKAY?
JUST TELL US YOUR FIRST OR LAST NAME (whichever is relatively less common) SO WE’LL KNOW WHEN IT’S *YYOUU*.
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Joseph blame the world for your problems Anderson
Well its been fun. Let’s just agree to disagree….currently on a flight back to Paris and then on to Madrid to finalize some business while you wallow in self pity. Tell your roomate if she gets through law school send me her resume I may hire her…..who knows you may still be her house boy…..
Bonjour!!!!!
“Level of *bullshit* the world UN-Consciousness”
Level of UN-Consciousness, on April 16th, 2009 at 4:58 pm said: “Blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, babble, babble, babble, yip-yap, yip-yap, yip-yap, I STILL CAN’T *PUT UP* — currently on a flight back to Paris and then on to Madrid to finalize some business…”
HA-HA-HA…!! ‘YYYYEAH’, ‘RRRRIGHT’!! …I *BET* YOU ‘ARE’…!! [Wink, wink, wink...] HA-HA-HA…!! *ROTFLMGDAO*…!!
You mean you’re not stopping by le Côte d’Azur, Malta, Monaco and Liechtenstein *TOO*!!??? They’re just lovely in the spring!!
Hey, London is only 52 minutes flight from Paris! Why not stop by for YOUR WEEKLY PRIVATE TEA AND CRUMPETS WITH THE *QUEEN*!! You know she’d be so disappointed to know that you were in the neighborhood and didn’t stop by!!
I SEE YOU’RE ON ***CRACK***…!!! HHHA-HA-HA…!!
OHHHHH….!! THANKS FOR THE AFTERNOON *LAUGH*!!
JUST WHAT I NEEDED AFTER A BUSY DAY!!
(And my housemate has been practicing law for about 10 years — already graduated from one of those TOP-TIER LAW SCHOOLS that I mentioned that she *ALL* got accepted to — the kind you couldn’t *ever* get in to. But, if you finally learn to keep your idiot mouth shut, maybe I can get her to take pitty on you and hire you to take out her office garbage!)
OHHHH…!! YOU’RE *TOO* MUCH…!!: *PPPA-THE-TIC*..!! HA-HA-HA–HA-HA…!!!
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Yo!!: “Level of *bullshit* the world UN-Consciousness”:
What a COINCIDENCE!! I’m just circling over *ROME*!! The captain says we’re waiting for airport runway traffic to clear up! Is that your flight I see in the distance!?
Wave from your window!!
HA-HA-HA–HA-HA-HA…!!
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“Level of *bullshit* the world UN-Consciousness”!!
Even on ‘a flight to Paris’ — [wink, wink, wink] — you were thinking of **MMMEEE**!! — and damn the expense at any cost of posting back here!!
How *hearrrt-touching*…
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4 less pigs in the world, as far as I’m concerned. If mixon did do any of the dirt the media says he did than this redeemed his past transgressions. He took out four redneck hillbilly pigs, fuck yeah.